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Rayzah

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@Rayzah you're embarrassing yourself with all this quoting. HHH is not in the same class as Austin, Rock, Flair, and Hogan. And that's not a "smark" thing, that's a general wrestling thing. Casual wrestling fans don't know a fukking HHH, but they know those other 4 names. HHH has done everything to make it APPEAR like he's on their level due to the fact that he's never actually gotten off tv like others have. I'm pretty sure casual wrestling fans know Lex Luger and Sting before him too. They've done everything to rewrite history for HHH just for that very fact. Lol @ "groupthink". Those are facts, you're the one actually drinking the koolaid of a guy that's been all up in the video this long just cause he was getting out popped by X-Pac, Billy Gunn and Roaddogg 19 years ago.
:stopitslime: Let me ask you this, who do you like in wwe, who would you rather had got the HHH spot? then ask yourself was that person signed by HHH? did you enjoy nxt takeover, is that not a HHH creation basically? yall kill me with this HHH hate, he is most likely behind every reason you still watch WWE but yet yall say he isnt deserving the big matches he gets? really, does 20 years in the main even scene not deserve a top spot whever he wants?
IWC/TSC is the only place where HHH isnt well liked, his always comes out to a big reaction, and I cant believe you said XPAC the same guy who is infamous for not out popping anyone..



This don't even make sense. Who is "y'all"? Why are you assuming that I was excited when he returned? You guys love grouping opinions together just to fit the narrative you're trying to construct.

Secondly, context is very important: Shane returning after seven years off TV for a Mania program when a lot of top guys were injured ≠ Shane being one of the top babyfaces on Smackdown, involved in every major angle at the expense of the guys that can actually wrestle. I don't care if Shane still wrestles but the capacity he's used in is why people like me ain't really watching this shyt like that.

Funny how a message board dominated by WWE topics, and a thread about their ppv is full of so many people that dont like, dont watch wwe, or is on the verge of giving up on the product all together.. I tell you what I dont give a fukk about tna/impact/gfw or whatever bs name they go by now, and I will be dammed if I waste a minute out of my life to watch their product just to reaffirm my already negative views about them. Thats insane,

Also WWE has not or never will be the NWA meaning yall keep saying shane or whoever is taking a spot from guys that can actully wrestle, since when has vince ever gave a fukk about guys that can actually wrestle? Shane's non wrestling ass is way more of an attraction than chad gable or whoever spot he took

lol yeah I don't know who ya'll is. I've never wanted to see Angle wrestler another match. He looked awful in TNA, and can't go anymore. Same with Sting.



I want Daniel Bryan and Punk, not fukkin Kurt Angle :mjlol:

who on that roster should have taken kurts spot?
and when are yall going to learn punk dont love yall no more, he moved on and did it in a way that no one should be checking for him, but the IWC cant let him go
 

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who on that roster should have taken kurts spot?
and when are yall going to learn punk dont love yall no more, he moved on and did it in a way that no one should be checking for him, but the IWC cant let him go

Read up in the thread g


I had no problem with him being in the match..

He sucks, of course, but I don't care..


Only problem I had with the match was Cena and Randy going over Finn and Joe, because it does nothing for anyone..


As far as Kurt, Triple H, Shane etc. I clearly stated already that I had no problem and completely don't give a fukk about them or their involvement..


But don't tell me Kurts what I want or wanted. The nikka can't even stand straight.. he's outta here
 

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:stopitslime: Let me ask you this, who do you like in wwe, who would you rather had got the HHH spot? then ask yourself was that person signed by HHH? did you enjoy nxt takeover, is that not a HHH creation basically? yall kill me with this HHH hate, he is most likely behind every reason you still watch WWE but yet yall say he isnt deserving the big matches he gets? really, does 20 years in the main even scene not deserve a top spot whever he wants?
IWC/TSC is the only place where HHH isnt well liked, his always comes out to a big reaction, and I cant believe you said XPAC the same guy who is infamous for not out popping anyone..

LMAOOOOOOOOOOO at that goal post moving "was that person signed by HHH" shyt. You dumbass, no one has a problem with what HHH does in regarding NXT. He gets PRAISED for NXT and his other outside of WWE work. People on here have given him props for what he has done with NXT constantly, but fools like yourself have attempted to make HHH a victim of criticism like he's Trump or Taylor Swift. The problem with HHH is being all up in the video when it comes to WWE story-lines, inserting himself everywhere where he doesn't need to be. 20 years in the main event scene doesn't amount to much he he has booked himself. You know what, I'm gonna stop right here, cause you clearly missed other HHH threads, and these points have been talked about so many times, but marks like yourself don't listen, so here's another copy and paste since you clearly missed it before:



Never was THE man like Austin and Rock. Doesn't have the rapport with the fans like Undertaker, nor was even held in high regard by the fans like Mankind, a guy who basically cemented HHH's heel status in 2000. And to top it off, he isn't held in the legendary status as his own best friend HBK, whose amount of classic matches dwarfs his. No wonder he had to washout the roster from 2002-2006, and a couple years here and there sprinkled after that :mjlol:. He really was the ultimate B+ player :banderas:life works in such cruel ways

HHH has always been riding on the coattails of other people and putting his big nose where it doesn't belong.:hhhtroll:

He wanted to be that dude so bad. You just know he had to be bitter whenever he saw Austin or the rock come out with nothing, but love shown from the crowd.

He wasn't even the most popular member in DX :mjlol:

Let's not forget that he's always out there acting like all of NXT's success was on him. This dude literally broke kayfabe (he was supposedly severely injured by Roman giving him an ass whooping) and appeared at an NXT: TakeOver cutting the exact same "The future is now!" promo he cuts before every TakeOver show for no other reason than that he loves the neckbeards cheering him on.

And I've said it in the CWC thread, when he came out to hug up Cedric Alexander when those "Please sign Cedric!" chants happened after his match with Kota Ibushi, that wasn't him giving Cedric rub. That was him soaking up all the attention for himself because Cedric didn't need no damn rub coming off one of the best matches of the year with the entire crowd chanting his name.

He desperately pads his resume with title wins and other accolades and at the end of the day he's still not on the level of legends like Rock and Stone Cold. He's not even in the 2nd tier of legends for people like Bret Hart, Randy Savage, and Eddie Guerrero.

Even when HHH was in DX, he was getting out-popped by the Outlaws, X-Pac, and Chyna :mjlol:

Good thread. The most overrated "legend" in WWF history. A lot of revisionist history on his behalf.

Not only did he depend on his opponents but he needed damn near every faction/team he was in to carry, boost, or make him look legit.

DX: rode HBKKK's coatail until the back injury, then took over & added NAO to ride their wave.

The Corporation/Corporate Ministry: This was around the time he was creeping with Stephanie & his push was in the making.

McMahon-Helmsley Regime/Faction/Era:
When he & Stephanie went public & he started reaping all the benefits of being with her.

Two Man Power Trip:
Him teaming with Austin speaks for itself.

Evolution:
He wanted to have his version of the Four Horsemen with Flair on the team as a cosign.

DX 2.0:
He wasn't really making any noise so they dug DX out the recycling bin & buried the entire Raw tag division when it actually started gaining momentum.

Scott Steiner said it best when he compared him to Kevin Federline.

Yes.

I think we are all happy with the stuff he's doing outside the ring and creating new talent.

But during this dude's in ring team he was one of the most selfish pieces of shyt ever. Going over punk, Brock, rvd, booker t, and even Goldberg in elimination chamber is inexcusable. For all the confidence dude might show, he's incredibly insecure and always tried to prove he was an A+ player but truth was he could never carry the promotion as a top guy without losing steam really quick. Especially as a babyface

The moment that tells you everything you need to know about H is the fact that after his big crowning achievement at Wrestlemania 17, beating Y2J for the belt after his big return... he dropped the strap the very next month to the HulKKKster at Backlash :mjlol:


That low key had to burn him even moreso than the Ultimate Warrior squash at WM12. That Backlash loss is basically Vince's way of saying, "yeah, you cool and all, but we got a real star over here that needs the title"

Cripple Ache is a B+ wrestler who got surpassed by John Cena over 10 years ago as far as ranking goes. So that makes the top stars ahead of him Hulkkk Hoegan, Storm Front, The Rock, John Cena, Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker, Bret Hart... He's gonna need a 5 year run of pulling off miraculous 5 star matches in order to be mentioned in the same breath as them because as of right now he's one step ahead of people like Bob Holly, Raven, Santino Marella, & 1-2-3 Kid.

It's always funny to hear people say this in regards to HHH. It has been repeated so much that people automatically bank on it like it's gospel. But when you really think about it in terms of the timeline, it's bullshyt.

It's indisputable that Austin and Rock both dominated (switching between 1A and 1B) the entire time they were full time. Austin retired in 03 and Rock left for good (for that time period) in 04. During the HHH's reign of terror in that time frame, he was responsible for headlining some of the shyttiest Raws in history and stunk it up with just about everybody he faced. The only good outcome in all that shyt is the build of Batista. To make matters worse, he wouldn't even mix it up with the top Smackdown guys (including a prime Lesnar and Angle).

As a result they had to build a real top guy that could actually carry the company (as we all know which fell to Cena in 05). So all in all you have maybe a 8-10 month gap where you could even try to call him the top guy and that has hella asterisks by it cause it was trash (universally shyt on), he buried better talent and he didn't work with the top (superior) talent that were outshining him on the blue side.

The better question is if HHH was as great and as dominant as you say, why didn't he naturally fall into the role of the top guy once Austin and Rock left? He wasn't old (and is still in good shape physically in 2017), had decent name recognition and experience working with the true greats, and was stroking the boss's daughter nightly.

HHH always idolized Ric Flair, yet had to book himself to even get marginally close to Flair's status.
 
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:stopitslime: Let me ask you this, who do you like in wwe, who would you rather had got the HHH spot? then ask yourself was that person signed by HHH? did you enjoy nxt takeover, is that not a HHH creation basically? yall kill me with this HHH hate, he is most likely behind every reason you still watch WWE but yet yall say he isnt deserving the big matches he gets? really, does 20 years in the main even scene not deserve a top spot whever he wants?
IWC/TSC is the only place where HHH isnt well liked, his always comes out to a big reaction, and I cant believe you said XPAC the same guy who is infamous for not out popping anyone..





Funny how a message board dominated by WWE topics, and a thread about their ppv is full of so many people that dont like, dont watch wwe, or is on the verge of giving up on the product all together.. I tell you what I dont give a fukk about tna/impact/gfw or whatever bs name they go by now, and I will be dammed if I waste a minute out of my life to watch their product just to reaffirm my already negative views about them. Thats insane,

Also WWE has not or never will be the NWA meaning yall keep saying shane or whoever is taking a spot from guys that can actully wrestle, since when has vince ever gave a fukk about guys that can actually wrestle? Shane's non wrestling ass is way more of an attraction than chad gable or whoever spot he took



who on that roster should have taken kurts spot?
and when are yall going to learn punk dont love yall no more, he moved on and did it in a way that no one should be checking for him, but the IWC cant let him go
They had a new talent named Jason Jordan in his spot. What's the matter with u? There was no reason for Cripple H to even be in this match. He's been misdong from TV since Seth best him and now he and Steph have both crept back on Raw to make it as bad it was when they held it back earlier this year. A pep talk from heel Steph for the women? Wtf..

Cripple H wins the match in the main event after playing face on the house show circuit for weeks. There is justification for it. It's not good.

TSC is the only place Cripple H isn't well liked? He's been bashed on the internet continuusly since 2002 when he was exposed as a non draw and under the Rock/Austin level.

They changed Please Retire at him in 2009 against Blandy? That tells u how sorry he is.

Lol@him getting You tapped out chants at Summerslam after Lesnar beat him in LA while he was begging for a ovation
 

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LMAOOOOOOOOOOO at that goal post moving "was that person signed by HHH" shyt. You dumbass, no one has a problem with what HHH does in regarding NXT. He gets PRAISED for NXT and his other outside of WWE work. People on here have given him props for what he has done with NXT constantly, but fools like yourself have attempted to make HHH a victim of criticism like he's Trump or Taylor Swift. The problem with HHH is being all up in the video when it comes to WWE story-lines, inserting himself everywhere where he doesn't need to be. 20 years in the main event scene doesn't amount to much he he has booked himself. You know what, I'm gonna stop right here, cause you clearly missed other HHH threads, and these points have been talked about so many times, but marks like yourself don't listen, so here's another copy and paste since you clearly missed it before:



Never was THE man like Austin and Rock. Doesn't have the rapport with the fans like Undertaker, nor was even held in high regard by the fans like Mankind, a guy who basically cemented HHH's heel status in 2000. And to top it off, he isn't held in the legendary status as his own best friend HBK, whose amount of classic matches dwarfs his. No wonder he had to washout the roster from 2002-2006, and a couple years here and there sprinkled after that :mjlol:. He really was the ultimate B+ player :banderas:life works in such cruel ways

HHH has always been riding on the coattails of other people and putting his big nose where it doesn't belong.:hhhtroll:

He wanted to be that dude so bad. You just know he had to be bitter whenever he saw Austin or the rock come out with nothing, but love shown from the crowd.

He wasn't even the most popular member in DX :mjlol:

Let's not forget that he's always out there acting like all of NXT's success was on him. This dude literally broke kayfabe (he was supposedly severely injured by Roman giving him an ass whooping) and appeared at an NXT: TakeOver cutting the exact same "The future is now!" promo he cuts before every TakeOver show for no other reason than that he loves the neckbeards cheering him on.

And I've said it in the CWC thread, when he came out to hug up Cedric Alexander when those "Please sign Cedric!" chants happened after his match with Kota Ibushi, that wasn't him giving Cedric rub. That was him soaking up all the attention for himself because Cedric didn't need no damn rub coming off one of the best matches of the year with the entire crowd chanting his name.

He desperately pads his resume with title wins and other accolades and at the end of the day he's still not on the level of legends like Rock and Stone Cold. He's not even in the 2nd tier of legends for people like Bret Hart, Randy Savage, and Eddie Guerrero.

Even when HHH was in DX, he was getting out-popped by the Outlaws, X-Pac, and Chyna :mjlol:

Good thread. The most overrated "legend" in WWF history. A lot of revisionist history on his behalf.

Not only did he depend on his opponents but he needed damn near every faction/team he was in to carry, boost, or make him look legit.

DX: rode HBKKK's coatail until the back injury, then took over & added NAO to ride their wave.

The Corporation/Corporate Ministry: This was around the time he was creeping with Stephanie & his push was in the making.

McMahon-Helmsley Regime/Faction/Era:
When he & Stephanie went public & he started reaping all the benefits of being with her.

Two Man Power Trip:
Him teaming with Austin speaks for itself.

Evolution:
He wanted to have his version of the Four Horsemen with Flair on the team as a cosign.

DX 2.0:
He wasn't really making any noise so they dug DX out the recycling bin & buried the entire Raw tag division when it actually started gaining momentum.

Scott Steiner said it best when he compared him to Kevin Federline.

Yes.

I think we are all happy with the stuff he's doing outside the ring and creating new talent.

But during this dude's in ring team he was one of the most selfish pieces of shyt ever. Going over punk, Brock, rvd, booker t, and even Goldberg in elimination chamber is inexcusable. For all the confidence dude might show, he's incredibly insecure and always tried to prove he was an A+ player but truth was he could never carry the promotion as a top guy without losing steam really quick. Especially as a babyface

The moment that tells you everything you need to know about H is the fact that after his big crowning achievement at Wrestlemania 17, beating Y2J for the belt after his big return... he dropped the strap the very next month to the HulKKKster at Backlash :mjlol:


That low key had to burn him even moreso than the Ultimate Warrior squash at WM12. That Backlash loss is basically Vince's way of saying, "yeah, you cool and all, but we got a real star over here that needs the title"

Cripple Ache is a B+ wrestler who got surpassed by John Cena over 10 years ago as far as ranking goes. So that makes the top stars ahead of him Hulkkk Hoegan, Storm Front, The Rock, John Cena, Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker, Bret Hart... He's gonna need a 5 year run of pulling off miraculous 5 star matches in order to be mentioned in the same breath as them because as of right now he's one step ahead of people like Bob Holly, Raven, Santino Marella, & 1-2-3 Kid.

It's always funny to hear people say this in regards to HHH. It has been repeated so much that people automatically bank on it like it's gospel. But when you really think about it in terms of the timeline, it's bullshyt.

It's indisputable that Austin and Rock both dominated (switching between 1A and 1B) the entire time they were full time. Austin retired in 03 and Rock left for good (for that time period) in 04. During the HHH's reign of terror in that time frame, he was responsible for headlining some of the shyttiest Raws in history and stunk it up with just about everybody he faced. The only good outcome in all that shyt is the build of Batista. To make matters worse, he wouldn't even mix it up with the top Smackdown guys (including a prime Lesnar and Angle).

As a result they had to build a real top guy that could actually carry the company (as we all know which fell to Cena in 05). So all in all you have maybe a 8-10 month gap where you could even try to call him the top guy and that has hella asterisks by it cause it was trash (universally shyt on), he buried better talent and he didn't work with the top (superior) talent that were outshining him on the blue side.

The better question is if HHH was as great and as dominant as you say, why didn't he naturally fall into the role of the top guy once Austin and Rock left? He wasn't old (and is still in good shape physically in 2017), had decent name recognition and experience working with the true greats, and was stroking the boss's daughter nightly.

HHH always idolized Ric Flair, yet had to book himself to even get marginally close to Flair's status.
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Wtf dude did hhh win the title last night? Did he burry some up and coming talent ? No he did what heels do and get heat that’s all it was a fun match that can’t really set up any feuds cause of the brand split why are y’all so mad like this has anything to do with the story going forward. And fukk that bs narrative of him not being a legend when he was the biggest star in the ring angle included. None of that shyt that I didn’t read matters, he earned his spot
 

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They had a new talent named Jason Jordan in his spot. What's the matter with u? There was no reason for Cripple H to even be in this match. He's been misdong from TV since Seth best him and now he and Steph have both crept back on Raw to make it as bad it was when they held it back earlier this year. A pep talk from heel Steph for the women? Wtf..

Cripple H wins the match in the main event after playing face on the house show circuit for weeks. There is justification for it. It's not good.

TSC is the only place Cripple H isn't well liked? He's been bashed on the internet continuusly since 2002 when he was exposed as a non draw and under the Rock/Austin level.

They changed Please Retire at him in 2009 against Blandy? That tells u how sorry he is.

Lol@him getting You tapped out chants at Summerslam after Lesnar beat him in LA while he was begging for a ovation

fukk Jason Jordan he knows he wasn’t ready and I do think he should have played a part in the outcome but he didn’t belong in that match. Hhh isn’t the guy y’all remember form 2009, he has won the fans over it’s just the IWC who won’t move on from those days. And let’s be honest wwe had a trash roster then and HHH was the only guy that had any noteriety other than Cena. But whatever I am obviously not as annoyed by this dude as y’all are it is possible y’all are overreacting but whatever. I’m glad I was able to enjoy the show sucks to be yall
 

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People don't know who HHH is now? :comeon:

Yeah...apparently, casual wrestling fans know who Austin and Rock are, but they don't know who their main rival (aside from Vince) was during the Attitude Era... and they know who D-Generation X was,but not the guy who was the leader of DX during WWF's biggest years.

:lolbron:

Hey, no doubt, HHH is no Hogan/Rock/Austin/Flair/Savage/Cena... but nikkas in here tryna play like he's Test or somebody... stopppppp :russ:
 
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fukk Jason Jordan he knows he wasn’t ready and I do think he should have played a part in the outcome but he didn’t belong in that match. Hhh isn’t the guy y’all remember form 2009, he has won the fans over it’s just the IWC who won’t move on from those days. And let’s be honest wwe had a trash roster then and HHH was the only guy that had any noteriety other than Cena. But whatever I am obviously not as annoyed by this dude as y’all are it is possible y’all are overreacting but whatever. I’m glad I was able to enjoy the show sucks to be yall

You are a 100% mark, and have sadly been fooled by HHH for 15 years. I hope you're not over the age of 22 responding this way.

Yeah...apparently, casual wrestling fans know who Austin and Rock are, but they don't know who their main rival (aside from Vince) was during the Attitude Era... and they know who D-Generation X was,but not the guy who was the leader of DX during WWF's biggest years.

:lolbron:

Hey, no doubt, HHH is no Hogan/Rock/Austin/Flair/Savage/Cena... but nikkas in here tryna play like he's Test or somebody... stopppppp :russ:

And as long as you and others know this part, everything's all good. No one is playing like he's Test, but to solely prop him up simply based on longevity when he was probably the 6th most important person of his era is pretty silly.
 
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