Slim n Magic were the most vocal, even though both only went at P (a bit at Silkk too). Nobody ever went at C, that nikka had love for and got love from all the former soldiers (except Mystikal for a short period)
No-Limit Master P (5 part Docuseries) Wednesday 9pm EST on BET
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I think chamillionaire told the story about how P wasn't about to get rape'd again by the distributers...Something happened at Priority where they either took money from P or tried to take money from P,
P sold all those albums at Priority and was missing money, nobody ever talks about it because of his deal and the numbers he put up, but apparently, something went wrong there, I can't remember where I heard this information from, but something happened and P went into the Universal deal with the mindset of that not letting them folks take his money again.
Chamillionaire may have talked about the Priority situation too. I can't recall
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I still cant believe P let Mac ghostwrite his verse (the verse was ill but you can blatantly tell from the rhyme patterns) on Romeo's favourite P album smh
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Nah.. If P got all them Bay nikkaz on there I'm sure he was willing to let BBTP on. KLC, Fiend, and Mia X stopped following P after the last episode. Something he said must have made them feel like shyt.
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One of the original Hot Boys killed Mr Serv On Cousin who was a "goon" in the Caliope he was in the Im Bout it movie with the pitfall and Emmitt Jersey. After that there couldn't be no peace.
Correct me if im wrong this is what I heard.
Correct me if im wrong this is what I heard.
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BET just dropped the first episode on YouTube
Allegedly, it was gangsta you were talking about.
P stepped to him and asked him about and he said no, there is a Murder Dog interview with P about it.
Marlo Barksdale
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Y'all must ain't hear Fiend say on episode 4 that he wasn't getting paid right. Mystikal alluded to it too in that photo shoot interview. P was doing a nicer version of what other labels do by giving artists allowance money and material things instead of residual payments. Guarantee those artist got 1099'd and had to pay taxes on all of it.I talked to a producer of this docuseries and P didn't have control over it. eOne Entertainment & Viacom is who put this together. It's basically an extended version of VH1 Behind The Music. You wouldn't have gotten King George and others on here otherwise.
BBTP just ain't messing with anything promoting P. Mo B. dikk is P's cousin and he hasn't spoken to him since 1999.
KLC explained that C had tension with P also because Magic was signed to C's TRU Records label (a subsidiary of NL). C was the one who believed in Magic, but P was going behind his back and telling Magic to rep No Limit instead of TRU Records when he got buzz. It'd be like Clive Davis telling Biggie to rep Arista instead of Bad Boy after Big Poppa.
They weren't on good terms and then C got arrested. P got Magic and Currensy directly on No Limit. Currensy has always said he felt conflicted going to P out of loyalty to C. But C said Currensy had to do what he had to do and it's cool. Currensy continuted to rep C-Murder any chance he got, even when he was signed to Young Money.
Nah you gotta study what actually happened. P actually owed Priority money from all the huge advances he got each time he dropped an album. They got alot of unsold albums returned and the albums weren't recouping. That's why Priority sued P for $46 million and No Limit Records filed for bankrupcy. P defaulted on the payment terms and that's how he lost the No Limit catalogue.
P went to Universal with New No Limit and took another huge advance after falsely stating that he had certain artists still under contract ready to drop albums. But those artists weren't messing with P and P didn't use the advance money to promote the artists albums that he did drop. The New No Limit artists went to Universal complaining about payments and promotion and they told them P had the money.
P basically ran off on the plug twice and that's why he was effectively blackballed.
@24:00 of this KLC talks about how P didn't want to pay them what they were owed. P's comments on the last episode show that he still doesn't feel like he needed to pay them.
Again, you have to tell the full story so that people learn from their mistakes and don't get fooled by a revisionist story.
Slim was in his feelings, when he got out of prison, P put him up in a house, gave him that black truck and gave him 50k, this is when he got out, plus Slim had his money from his first album but lawyers ate that up, and he gave some to his mama.
What Slim issue was that he was used to how P was giving them money like it wasn't nothing and in 01, P's budget wasn't like how it was in 98 any more. Slim felt P was lying and felt that he owed him "that" kind of money.
Magic issue was that he wasn't a NL artist, but he still ate, Magic also was around w
I talked to a producer of this docuseries and P didn't have control over it. eOne Entertainment & Viacom is who put this together. It's basically an extended version of VH1 Behind The Music. You wouldn't have gotten King George and others on here otherwise.
BBTP just ain't messing with anything promoting P. Mo B. dikk is P's cousin and he hasn't spoken to him since 1999.
KLC explained that C had tension with P also because Magic was signed to C's TRU Records label (a subsidiary of NL). C was the one who believed in Magic, but P was going behind his back and telling Magic to rep No Limit instead of TRU Records when he got buzz. It'd be like Clive Davis telling Biggie to rep Arista instead of Bad Boy after Big Poppa.
They weren't on good terms and then C got arrested. P got Magic and Currensy directly on No Limit. Currensy has always said he felt conflicted going to P out of loyalty to C. But C said Currensy had to do what he had to do and it's cool. Currensy continuted to rep C-Murder any chance he got, even when he was signed to Young Money.
Nah you gotta study what actually happened. P actually owed Priority money from all the huge advances he got each time he dropped an album. They got alot of unsold albums returned and the albums weren't recouping. That's why Priority sued P for $46 million and No Limit Records filed for bankrupcy. P defaulted on the payment terms and that's how he lost the No Limit catalogue.
P went to Universal with New No Limit and took another huge advance after falsely stating that he had certain artists still under contract ready to drop albums. But those artists weren't messing with P and P didn't use the advance money to promote the artists albums that he did drop. The New No Limit artists went to Universal complaining about payments and promotion and they told them P had the money.
P basically ran off on the plug twice and that's why he was effectively blackballed.
@24:00 of this KLC talks about how P didn't want to pay them what they were owed. P's comments on the last episode show that he still doesn't feel like he needed to pay them.
Again, you have to tell the full story so that people learn from their mistakes and don't get fooled by a revisionist story.
P paid the producers a "set" rate/ fee for an album. KL is talking about royalties being paid to him (afterwards), but from what it looks like, P paid them for completing an album which included "projecting" album sales. If you're an "in-house" producer, you have a set fee for completing an album
P did the same thing as what "Tony Draper, J Prince, Baby and Slim and Luke did with their producers, paid them a "set" fee for completing an album. Most of the albums that they completed, did not have radio singles, Outside of P, Silk, Snoop, what other artists on NL had radio singles on the radio??
For example, for an album, P maybe paid them 80k-250k to complete and album,
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As far as the Priority situation, it doesn't make sense either.
If they are giving P 250k on every album that he drops (Up front) and they are putting an x amount of albums out to the retailers all of the world, and getting a 20% kickback from each sale, How is it that P owes them when it's in the contract that both parties agreed upon? If CDs doesn't sell, that's not on P, P shouldn't eat that cost in my opinion, especially in 1996-2000 when NL albums were still selling over 250k. Unless it was in the contract that P had to pay back on any CDs/albums that didn't sell, he would have to eat the cost, then I can see Priority suing P, and going after their money. If they are trying to make P pay back and it wasn't in the contract, then that's foul
That means every company that doesn't sell all of their albums, would have to pay and eat that cost up too
If they put out 50k Mac's album, which they gave P 250k up front to start the project, the album sells 40k, 10k left over, How is it that P owes them??
Again, that's where I think the disconnect came into play and P felt like Priority was trying to rape him for funds.
With the Universal thing, He just got a check from them and said that he would pay for everything, and he had Mr. Magic, Silkk, Romeo, and himself at the time he was under their umbrella, I think he had 5th Ward too,
I think he used Universal money (the same thing Cash Money does) to sign artists, put up promo and funnel their lifestyle
I just see P looking out for his best interest at the end of the day
If they are giving P 250k on every album that he drops (Up front) and they are putting an x amount of albums out to the retailers all of the world, and getting a 20% kickback from each sale, How is it that P owes them when it's in the contract that both parties agreed upon? If CDs doesn't sell, that's not on P, P shouldn't eat that cost in my opinion, especially in 1996-2000 when NL albums were still selling over 250k. Unless it was in the contract that P had to pay back on any CDs/albums that didn't sell, he would have to eat the cost, then I can see Priority suing P, and going after their money. If they are trying to make P pay back and it wasn't in the contract, then that's foul
That means every company that doesn't sell all of their albums, would have to pay and eat that cost up too
If they put out 50k Mac's album, which they gave P 250k up front to start the project, the album sells 40k, 10k left over, How is it that P owes them??
Again, that's where I think the disconnect came into play and P felt like Priority was trying to rape him for funds.
With the Universal thing, He just got a check from them and said that he would pay for everything, and he had Mr. Magic, Silkk, Romeo, and himself at the time he was under their umbrella, I think he had 5th Ward too,
I think he used Universal money (the same thing Cash Money does) to sign artists, put up promo and funnel their lifestyle
I just see P looking out for his best interest at the end of the day
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As far as payments, Slim had the same fuss about his payments, he was complaining that he wasn't being paid, but Krazy stated that P wasn't giving out money like that any more, before hand (and you see it with Fiend and Mystikal's first album ) They were getting buku money before their albums came out, so they were use to P maybe setting them up with 2-4 million on their first album run. Slim was too, Mr. Magic was too.
FF, now it's album 2 time, Fiend came out in 1999, I'm not sure why Fiend should feel he should get the same 2-4 million that he got on his first album run, Did that 2nd album go Plat like his first album?? IF it didn't, then why should he feel that he still needs to get 2-4 million he got on his first album run, if his 2nd album didn't reach 1x yet... There's one in every family, reach 1x by the time his 2nd album dropped, so he was use to seeing that money...2nd album, I don't think it hit 1x, within the same time frame....We can say the same for Mystikal's second album vs his first album...did his second album sell 1x at the same rate as his first album did?? I'm sure it didn't
So course the money won't look the same, and won't come as fast as it did the first time around.
Same with Soulja Slim, The Streets Made Me, did not see GOLD, so he's thinking he should get all that money he got the 1st rip, he got when his first album hit gold, The Streets Made Me, came out, and NL wasn't even at their height, but Slim think he's owed the same amount of money he's gotten when he dropped his 1st album
Man folks will complain when they don't see the same money that they saw the 1st time, they will complain also if they don't know the business.[/QUOTE]
FF, now it's album 2 time, Fiend came out in 1999, I'm not sure why Fiend should feel he should get the same 2-4 million that he got on his first album run, Did that 2nd album go Plat like his first album?? IF it didn't, then why should he feel that he still needs to get 2-4 million he got on his first album run, if his 2nd album didn't reach 1x yet... There's one in every family, reach 1x by the time his 2nd album dropped, so he was use to seeing that money...2nd album, I don't think it hit 1x, within the same time frame....We can say the same for Mystikal's second album vs his first album...did his second album sell 1x at the same rate as his first album did?? I'm sure it didn't
So course the money won't look the same, and won't come as fast as it did the first time around.
Same with Soulja Slim, The Streets Made Me, did not see GOLD, so he's thinking he should get all that money he got the 1st rip, he got when his first album hit gold, The Streets Made Me, came out, and NL wasn't even at their height, but Slim think he's owed the same amount of money he's gotten when he dropped his 1st album
Man folks will complain when they don't see the same money that they saw the 1st time, they will complain also if they don't know the business.[/QUOTE]
Marlo Barksdale
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Always follow the money and the results.
No Limit filed bankruptcy and the albums from the catalogue that have been released are from Priority/Capital/Beats by Pound.
P doesn't own or control the catalogue. That's why P made a greatest hits album full of re-recorded versions of his songs. That's done when somebody doesn't own the masters.
And we know P would have 7382 deluxe anniversary editions of Lil Soldiers album out if controlled the NL catalogue the same way Suge did Death Row's catalogue before he lost it in bankruptcy.
Go on streaming services and look at the label at the bottom. Mac's Shell Shocked is released by Beats by the Pound for example.
P didn't like paying residuals and felt you should be happy with anything he gave you. That was a character flaw that led to the downfall of No Limit.
Don't get caught up in platinum or gold certifications, because that's just for the fans. The same way a plauque for a billion streams is pointless depending on how much each stream is worth. What really matters in business is how many albums are sold (Soundscan) and what the ROI is.
Here is a Soundcan thread from 2007 where official US Soundscans were posted. This is what No Limit actually sold as of December 2007
No Limit filed bankruptcy and the albums from the catalogue that have been released are from Priority/Capital/Beats by Pound.
P doesn't own or control the catalogue. That's why P made a greatest hits album full of re-recorded versions of his songs. That's done when somebody doesn't own the masters.
And we know P would have 7382 deluxe anniversary editions of Lil Soldiers album out if controlled the NL catalogue the same way Suge did Death Row's catalogue before he lost it in bankruptcy.
Go on streaming services and look at the label at the bottom. Mac's Shell Shocked is released by Beats by the Pound for example.
This pic was posted in another thread but here. This is verified information from the Pimp C autobiography and there are interviews about it
P didn't like paying residuals and felt you should be happy with anything he gave you. That was a character flaw that led to the downfall of No Limit.
Don't get caught up in platinum or gold certifications, because that's just for the fans. The same way a plauque for a billion streams is pointless depending on how much each stream is worth. What really matters in business is how many albums are sold (Soundscan) and what the ROI is.
Here is a Soundcan thread from 2007 where official US Soundscans were posted. This is what No Limit actually sold as of December 2007
https://boxden.com/showthread.php?t=888986&page=20
Mr. Marcelo Brick Livin: 37,691
Mr. Marcelo Still Brick Livin': 1,123
Mr. Marcelo Streetz Got Luv 4 Me: 2,236
504 Boyz Ballers: 26,1981
504 Boyz Goodfellas: 1,142,848
504 Boyz Hurricane Katrina-we Gon' Boun: 4,066
Master P Living Legend-certified D-boy: 8,463
Lil' Romeo Game Time: 386,302
Lil' Romeo Lil' Romeo: 846,913
Lil' Romeo Romeo Tv Show-the Season: 22,835
Lil' Romeo Romeoland: 175,074
Krazy Breather Life: 22,742
Soulja Slim Give It 2 'em Raw: 341,545
Soulja Slim Streets Made Me: 82,788
Soulja Slim Years Later: 26,608
Soulja Slim Years Later-a Few Months After: 62,883
SNOOP DOGG DA GAME IS TO BE SOLD & NOT TO: 2,075,129
SNOOP DOGG THA LAST MEAL: 2,052,198
SNOOP DOGG TOP DOGG: 1,508,602
MASTER P 99 WAYS TO DIE: 292,518
MASTER P GAME FACE: 433,198
MASTER P GHETTO POSTAGE: 600,805
MASTER P GHETTO D: 3,185,221
MASTER P GHETTO'S TRYING TO KILL ME (re-release): 290,070
MASTER P GOOD SIDE/BAD SIDE: 260,999
MASTER P ICE CREAM MAN: 1,248,375
MASTER P MP DA LAST DON: 2,255,122
MASTER P ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE ME: 677,727
MASTER P GHETTO BILL: 89,713
C-MURDER TRUEST S--- I EVR SAID: 113,156
TRU DA CRIME FAMILY: 850,387
TRU TRU 2 DA GAME: 1,341,488
TRU TRUE: 429,577
[FONT=Open Sans, verdana]P shipped more records than he sold and wasn't able to pay the advances back to Priority or Universal. Compound that with Beats by the Pound winning a lawsuit over non-payment and other legal issues.[/FONT]Mr. Marcelo Brick Livin: 37,691
Mr. Marcelo Still Brick Livin': 1,123
Mr. Marcelo Streetz Got Luv 4 Me: 2,236
504 Boyz Ballers: 26,1981
504 Boyz Goodfellas: 1,142,848
504 Boyz Hurricane Katrina-we Gon' Boun: 4,066
Master P Living Legend-certified D-boy: 8,463
Lil' Romeo Game Time: 386,302
Lil' Romeo Lil' Romeo: 846,913
Lil' Romeo Romeo Tv Show-the Season: 22,835
Lil' Romeo Romeoland: 175,074
Krazy Breather Life: 22,742
Soulja Slim Give It 2 'em Raw: 341,545
Soulja Slim Streets Made Me: 82,788
Soulja Slim Years Later: 26,608
Soulja Slim Years Later-a Few Months After: 62,883
SNOOP DOGG DA GAME IS TO BE SOLD & NOT TO: 2,075,129
SNOOP DOGG THA LAST MEAL: 2,052,198
SNOOP DOGG TOP DOGG: 1,508,602
MASTER P 99 WAYS TO DIE: 292,518
MASTER P GAME FACE: 433,198
MASTER P GHETTO POSTAGE: 600,805
MASTER P GHETTO D: 3,185,221
MASTER P GHETTO'S TRYING TO KILL ME (re-release): 290,070
MASTER P GOOD SIDE/BAD SIDE: 260,999
MASTER P ICE CREAM MAN: 1,248,375
MASTER P MP DA LAST DON: 2,255,122
MASTER P ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE ME: 677,727
MASTER P GHETTO BILL: 89,713
C-MURDER TRUEST S--- I EVR SAID: 113,156
TRU DA CRIME FAMILY: 850,387
TRU TRU 2 DA GAME: 1,341,488
TRU TRUE: 429,577
I also think that was a made up thing wen master p said suge said “l.a ain’t big enough for both of us “ n p sayin wen you leaving ... .... I laugh how everyone says no limit would wash deathrow .... no doubt no limit had goons ... wen no limit was popping deathrow was on its way down , suge in jail , deathrow piru wars were going off around this time they had goons there just not like 95/96 .....p was and has never been as powerful as suge was as far as in the mid 90s ........ Reggie is right tho ... master p and snoop tell ducktales ....