No, government data does not show that defensive gun use saves lives

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Number of human beings dead.

One type of murder vs another

The impact of one outweighing the other.

Due to the fact your a shill for the lefts stances on popular media issues it's not something I believe you're capable of internalizing correctly


But what the fukk does one have to do with the other? You realize that you can oppose abortion and still favor reasonable gun control, right? They have literally zero relation to each other.

You need to stop hanging around all those right-wing MMA bros and reengage in the real world. "Violence on black people doesn't matter cause abortion!" is literally a White Supremacist talking point.
 

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But what the fukk does one have to do with the other? You realize that you can oppose abortion and still favor reasonable gun control, right? They have literally zero relation to each other.

You need to stop hanging around all those right-wing MMA bros and reengage in the real world. "Violence on black people doesn't matter cause abortion!" is literally a White Supremacist talking point.
You're pathetic.

This is a no BS form please carry yourself a little more upstanding
 

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You can compare households with guns to households without guns in the same neighborhood and see which one is more likely to experience a shooting. There has never been any evidence for deterrence - if you own guns you're far more likely to have a shooting within the family and don't show the slightest reduction in likelihood of being shot by someone outside the family.
Even in those instances the perp would need to know which home owners were armed and which weren’t for any meaningful determinations…
Seems your right, there really is no way to prove or disprove deterrence.
 

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Replace whiskey with pedophilia, it’s becoming pretty obvious these right wingers love that shyt too.


It's not just right-wingers. Clinton's name was on Epstein's Lolita flight ledger. There was an entire website with clips of Biden and his creepy interactions with children. The pedo stuff is not bi-partisan.
 

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Even in those instances the perp would need to know which home owners were armed and which weren’t for any meaningful determinations…
Seems your right, there really is no way to prove or disprove deterrence.

That's irrelevant to Defensive Gun Uses. The pro-gun lobby claims that DGUs save lives. If that were true, then homes with guns in them would have lower murder victimization rates than homes without guns in them regardless of what the perps know ahead of time, because once the homeowner brandished and/or used the weapon, they would reduce their chances of being killed. And study after study shows that's untrue even when you account for numerous other factor.
 

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That's irrelevant to Defensive Gun Uses. The pro-gun lobby claims that DGUs save lives. If that were true, then homes with guns in them would have lower murder victimization rates than homes without guns in them regardless of what the perps know ahead of time, because once the homeowner brandished and/or used the weapon, they would reduce their chances of being killed. And study after study shows that's untrue even when you account for numerous other factor.

We haven’t reached a gun saturation rate to support DGU saves lives. Duh
 
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It's not just right-wingers. Clinton's name was on Epstein's Lolita flight ledger. There was an entire website with clips of Biden and his creepy interactions with children. The pedo stuff is not bi-partisan.
Ok throw them in jail too, I don’t give a fukk. Ain’t no one in here stanning for either one of them.

The weird reflex to both sides this stuff by many posters on this board is so annoying. I get that it’s programmed in us damn near from birth but Christ man
 
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