'No Excuses... We're Just Pathetic' - Official 2015 Chicago Bulls Offseason Thread

[CantStop]

I posted this on Lakersground and the consensus was that 27th pick for taj is overpaying

 

[Originalman]

This shyt reminds me when the cavs couldn't get pass the bulls and fired Lenny wilkens then hired fratello. Hopefully for the bulls it doesn't turn out the same way.

 

[Perfectson]

Thibs is striking back, lol @ all this stuff coming out

 

[Perfectson]

If the Bulls regress after this firing, then Jerry needs to show GarPax the door ASAP! All Thibs wanted was to get the best out of his core guys, but that got derailed once Rose got hurt in 2012. The best players are suppose to be logging in 38 to 40 minutes in their young and prime years. Would Jordan, Magic, Bird, Shaq/Kobe, Duncan/Parker/Ginobli, and Lebron/Wade have those titles if they were not the main guys putting in the most minutes? It was time for Thibs to go, but I feel the FO did not give him enough or try to be creative to really build a true contender there. Imagine if those reports are true about Thibs wanting to draft Draymond Green, but the FO goes ahead to draft Marquis Teague. It tells me that Thibs has an eye for good pieces, and the FO are clueless on how they are building this team. We could have used a player like Draymond in that Cavs series. We would have had another skilled defender to throw at LBJ besides Butler. He also would have helped in the rebound department, and scored here and there to take some pressure of Rose and Butler.

Hindsight is 20/20, Teague was suppose to be a good player and was best available, not to mention we needed a backup pg as insurance

 

[jwinfield]

http://www.todaysfastbreak.com/nba-...bulls-under-fred-hoiberg-strategy-head-coach/

The thing most Bulls fans will want to know: Is Hoiberg’s offense fun to watch? The offense under Thibodeau has been … shall we say … not fun.

For fans of free-flowing uptempo basketball (and really, who isn’t?), Fred Hoiberg’s offense is entertaining. There’s almost no “false action” in Hoiberg’s offense. In layman’s terms, his team gets right to the business of scoring. He runs a very efficient offense. Iowa State has ranked no lower than No. 11 (and as high as sixth) in the nation in adjusted offensive efficiency per kenpom.com. An immediate upgrade in the watchability of the Bulls on the offensive end is imminent if Hoiberg is hired.

I read that 40 percent of Iowa State’s offense comes off three-point attempts, yet still shot 36.2 percent from deep. What does he do to create so many looks?

Two main ways: His “fist” action uses screen the screener action where a shooter sets a cross screen for a post player and then receives a down screen for a shot. But the main way is spacing around pick-and-rolls. The penetration created by the pick-and-roll allows for kick-outs to open shooters. Hoiberg almost always has a shooter spaced on the weak side from the ball screen.

I understand he likes to use a lot of screens, especially drag screens, to generate early offense. Last year the Bulls were last in effective field goal percentage in the 18-22 second range of the shot clock. How can Hoiberg help with that?

Drag screens are ball screens set in transition for a ball handler. The defense is put into screening action before they’re truly set. Early offense is a Hoiberg staple. Hoiberg has been a big proponent of the reduction of the college shot clock, mainly because of his team’s tempo and disdain for false motion. It’s rare to see Hoiberg’s teams use more than 20 seconds of the shot clock.

For this project, I re-watched Iowa State’s loss at Oklahoma from the Big 12 season. This was one of the highest scoring NCAA games of the year. (OU won the game 94-83.) I recall that after the game, college analysts were lauding the NBA experience of Hoiberg and Oklahoma coach Lon Kruger as to why the game had such great scoring and flow. Iowa State was consistently getting good shots from drag screen action within the first 10 seconds of the possession and often sooner.

Hoiberg talks about bigs going to their “room” a lot. What does that mean and how does he use his bigs?

Often, Iowa State doesn’t have a player on the low block at all. Hoiberg calls the short corner area two to three feet off the baseline and behind the defense the post player’s “room.” The purpose of the ball screen is to get a player in the paint attacking the defense. With post players “in their room” behind the defense, post defenders have to decide to either help up or sink back. I would say true back to the basket post players would be devalued in Hoiberg’s system and springy and rangy baseline athletes would become prioritized.

As a big student of college ball, I’m guessing you’ve seen more Doug McDermottthan most Bulls fans have, especially since he barely saw the court this year. Do you think Hoiberg would use him more and/or better than he was used this year? How does Hoiberg use his wings?

Of course I know of Doug McDermott! Hoiberg being hired by the Bulls would be the best thing to happen to McDermott’s professional career. I recall saying once to a coaching colleague that if every player played like McDermott, college basketball would be infinitely more entertaining. His movement away from the ball and ability to read defenders is lovely to watch. I’m not an avid NBA watcher, so I really cannot comment on why he hasn’t played much for Chicago to this point. I do believe that Hoiberg would find many ways to utilize McDermott. He’s the type of versatile and highly skilled player Hoiberg loves.

In general, Hoiberg has a shooting wing (Naz Long) and more of a slashing wing (Bryce Dejean-Jones) on the floor together. He uses “Pistol” action and dribble handoffs for the slashers. He mainly spaces shooters opposite of high and wing ball screens. McDermott is adept at using pin downs and flare screens. He can read defenders and curl and catch-and-shoot off screens that don’t involve the ball. I see Hoiberg using this skill as a weapon.

Iowa State uses Georges Niang as “point forward.” In the first play, Iowa has to defend with a big player and Iowa State isolates with Niang. Hoiberg is very good at exploiting mismatches. Post player is “in his room” and gets the easy basket on penetration.

In the second play, Niang is point forward again. The true point guard, Monte Morris, can be seen at bottom of the screen. (No. 11) Niang goes into a dribble handoff. You can see him directing traffic to get the player he wants involved to prevent the switch. The dribble handoff serves as sort of a ball screen. A nice pocket pass goes back to Niang for the three.

One thing that’s interesting to me is that Hoiberg’s teams are elite offenses at the college level without having elite players. Would his system allow for star-caliber players like Derrick Rose and Jimmy Butler to shine?

Butler is becoming a player who can’t help but shine for whomever is coaching him. I would anticipate frequent dribble handoffs to Butler. Hoiberg loves to use dribble handoffs to generate mismatches that become isolations for a particular player.

It’s with Rose that I see the most adjustments coming. Iowa State has had the nation’s leader in assist-to-turnover ratio for consecutive years – point guard Monte Morris. While Morris is a terrific player, this can be deceiving. For a point guard, Morris has a low usage rate (16.9 percent) due to Hoiberg’s point forward schemes.

Also, compared to the rest of the NCAA, Iowa State shoots the ball quicker. Thusly, Morris doesn’t have as many turnover opportunities as many others. It seems that in college basketball, the longer the possession the higher the likelihood of the next pass being a turnover becomes. And Iowa State doesn’t have long offensive possessions. I would anticipate a Bulls team with the ball in the hands of Rose less.

Most of the attention has been placed on his offense. But how is his defense? Are the Bulls looking at the next Mike D’Antoni or is Hoiberg a balanced coach?

I wouldn’t describe Hoiberg as a “balanced coach.” He definitely tilts towards offense. His teams have struggled a bit with dirty work. UAB bounced them from the NCAA Tournament this year by dominating the rebounding battle and crashing the boards. “Finesse team” can be a damning label, but many would describe Iowa State as such. If Bulls management is wanting to hire the “anti-Thibs,” Hoiberg is it. This is, without a doubt, a coaching candidate that would be all about adding offense.

Last question, and given how the whole Thibodeau drama has played out, this is important. Does Hoiberg play well with others?

Hoiberg has an NBA head coach demeanor. Calm, collected and not a “screamer” if you will. I cannot see him being a source of conflict with anyone. His nickname is “The Mayor” because he’s so beloved by everyone in Ames, Iowa. He just has a professorial demeanor that’s poised. Very Brad Stevens-like in that regard.

 

[HNIC973]

I'm actually excited about fred his ISU teams were very fun to watch offensively no more 7+mins droughts

 

[CarltonJunior]

I didn't know how to feel about this hire but at the end of the day I can't help but ride with whoever's chosen.

I'm not going to do any research on the man I'll just let his coaching prove itself over the next half decade

 

[jwinfield]

http://chicago.suntimes.com/basketb...r-collision-course-will-offense-translate-nba

The one question that would have to be answered, however, is Hoiberg’s use of the Bulls bigs. In Pau Gasol, Taj Gibson and Joakim Noah, Hoiberg would have at least two big bodies on the court at once, and at least at Iowa State, he didn’t usually put a big on the block in the post. Instead, there’s a lot of action for a big behind the defense, closer to the basket.

Noah would be ideal because he’s entering the final year of his deal and scheduled to make $13.4 million, while Gibson has two more years left at $8.5 million and $8.9 million, respectively. However, Noah is also suffering from a left knee that is basically bone-on-bone, and might even have trouble passing a physical in an attempted trade.

According to a source close to the team, Gibson was very upset with the team firing Thibodeau. The reserve has always been very loyal to Thibodeau and the entire coaching staff, and was described as a guy that right now “needed time to cool down.’’

If he can’t, however, the team might have to attempt to move him, not only from a potential chemistry standpoint, but also because his contract is much more attractive.

 

[jwinfield]

On Zach Lowe's podcast, he mentions that he heard about some of the young players on Team USA being by Thibs because he was freaking out about rotations when they were up 45 against Finland.

 

[jwinfield]

Hoiberg: I love posting up guards

 

[Rice N Beans]

Damn brehs Thibs refusing to hire additional help on offense kind of pushed it in for me. I know people that are that in time and great can be stubborn but that's flat out not recognizing you need help. I hope Hoiberg tries to load his staff for his tenure.

 

[DONCIC]

And Thibs, more than most people, should know how valuable a specialized assistant coach can be after how valuable he himself was to Doc in Boston

Too stubborn for his own good

 

[El Jefe]

Damn brehs Thibs refusing to hire additional help on offense kind of pushed it in for me. I know people that are that in time and great can be stubborn but that's flat out not recognizing you need help. I hope Hoiberg tries to load his staff for his tenure.

And Thibs, more than most people, should know how valuable a specialized assistant coach can be after how valuable he himself was to Doc in Boston

Too stubborn for his own good [/

Yup agreed

.. It was obvious that here was a guy askin everythin from his players .. Someone asking them to sacrifice they bodies for the greater cause n not make any excuses .. ( but after a few years ..the players realized coach was to stubborn to do the same ' he wasn't willing to put his ego or stubbornness to the side for the betterment of the team or winning '

If thibs really wanted to stay ..he could have made adjustments ..but he was to big to.make them ..

 

[cornercommission2k12]

Damn brehs Thibs refusing to hire additional help on offense kind of pushed it in for me. I know people that are that in time and great can be stubborn but that's flat out not recognizing you need help. I hope Hoiberg tries to load his staff for his tenure.

I'm just hoping we have a assistant that understood thibs defensive philosophy maybe even better than he did so we don't see a repeat of the bears where we all offense no defense and we take a step backwards next season

I think that also is on gar pax to get younger players to play defense as well.

 

[bsmooth]

Trade Gibson + give SAC full rights back to their pick for McLemore and Thompson

Sign Jameer Nelson or Mo Williams


Rose/McLemore/Jimmy/Niko/Pau

[Jameer/Mo]/Kirk/Snell/Doug/Thompson/Jo