'No Excuses... We're Just Pathetic' - Official 2015 Chicago Bulls Offseason Thread

[smARTmouf]

In the end...I loved Thibs. The more I think about it as a fan, I think I loved knowing what was coming. I loved knowing what players would get minutes. I loved knowing Thibs was hard at work on a game-plan.

Our identity was grit and defense. We lost that. So then what would be the point of keeping Thibs? Did we lose that identity because the FO couldn't agree on the players? Only those in the FO know that. I don't even trust publications. Did we lose our identity because he lost the players? Only the players know that. I'll say it again....Something happened....My eye test tells me he lost the players. A franchise can't go forward with a coach that has lost his players. The players that would've ran thru a wall for him, now have been reduced to players who would rather search for the door to open?...

All that other stuff is noise to me.

 

[606onit]

I'm ready to move forward.
#TheChicagoWay #NoLackinForNOBODY

 

[Shutdown10]

If the Bulls regress after this firing, then Jerry needs to show GarPax the door ASAP! All Thibs wanted was to get the best out of his core guys, but that got derailed once Rose got hurt in 2012. The best players are suppose to be logging in 38 to 40 minutes in their young and prime years. Would Jordan, Magic, Bird, Shaq/Kobe, Duncan/Parker/Ginobli, and Lebron/Wade have those titles if they were not the main guys putting in the most minutes? It was time for Thibs to go, but I feel the FO did not give him enough or try to be creative to really build a true contender there. Imagine if those reports are true about Thibs wanting to draft Draymond Green, but the FO goes ahead to draft Marquis Teague. It tells me that Thibs has an eye for good pieces, and the FO are clueless on how they are building this team. We could have used a player like Draymond in that Cavs series. We would have had another skilled defender to throw at LBJ besides Butler. He also would have helped in the rebound department, and scored here and there to take some pressure of Rose and Butler.

 

[606onit]

 

[Brozay]

Friedell said that he saw Thibs walk out with no security escort

 

[Brozay]

I wonder when the Hoiberg announcement comes?

 

[606onit]

Friedell said that he saw Thibs walk out with no security escort

Maybe they stopped short of walking out the door with him. Chicago grimey.

 

[El Jefe]

If I'm hoiberg I'm goin to Minnesota before workin fo this FD up FO ..specially with his heart problems ..

In minnesota He has a young squad a top draft pick and he seems to be better suited for that versus ( veteran players ..expectations and the shadow of thibs lurking over his shoulder )

I believe the fact he played here and connect to gar will lead him to sign ..but wouldn't b surprised if he looked else where also

I hope this FO ends up with egg on its face..solely for the way they treating thibs on way out .. Plus its own short comings over the years which the media has swept under the rug

 

[jwinfield]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-b...hibodeau-have-finally-ended-it-170105615.html

Tom Thibodeau didn’t deserve the process, but he’s earned the dismissal. No coach works harder, but in mistaking activity for achievement Tom Thibodeau has created an unsustainable relationship with his bosses, his players and reality. Yes, there were injuries – there are always injuries in this town – but to create an offense this staid and predictable with this rotation in 2015 is an art crime.

Thibodeau’s defensive sets revolutionized pro basketball a few years ago, but he also failed to think on his feet just as distressingly on that end in 2014-15, failing to recognize the strengths and weaknesses of his players while still assuming that Omer Asik was about to come in off that bench.

The reason Omer Asik doesn’t come off the Chicago bench is because this franchise has every excuse in place.

They’ll always have excuses, and the ability to argue things away. You can’t pay the luxury tax, and a $15 million yearly contract for Asik, for a team that will be without Derrick Rose for most if not all of 2012-13. You can’t pay the repeater tax as you attempt to surround Rose and others with mid-priced helpers. What’s the point of Kyle Korver when you badly need a competent ball handler with Rose out for most, if not all, of 2012-13?

They also, apparently, barely raised a hackle when Thibodeau routinely kept Rose and Joakim Noah in games late in blowout wins during his first season, or when Thibodeau played Rose massive minutes directly after he sat games with injury during the lockout-compressed 2011-12 run. Noah was put through the paces for far too many minutes early in 2012-13 and he predictably broke down after running much farther (at 7-feet tall!) than any other player during that season. The front office, in spite of its attempts to limit the minutes in recent years, was complicit in creating this culture.

It won them the NBA’s best record for two years running, and though there is no substantive proof that overuse led to Rose’s one-move downfall in the spring of 2012, it certainly led to the shell of a player that Noah certainly was in 2014-15. All sides should be ashamed of that.

Consider:

"I don't get lost," Thibodeau said during the postseason, describing his mindset amid all of the speculation. "It's easy to get distracted in this league. Just lock into what you need to do each and every day. That's it."

This doesn’t work when you’re a head coach. That is not how a leader handles things. You’re not an assistant, charged with breaking down sets. Pro sports don’t actually work one game at a time. You’re a leader of men, men you need at full strength in June, not January. Leaders don’t confuse a front office’s multitasking and pound-proper management with distraction.

The first season was a breeze. The second season, despite the nagging injuries, seemed right on track for revenge against LeBron and Co. until Derrick Rose planted wrong. The next offseason was marked with needless but Bulls-level “we-have-our-reasons” roster upheaval. The following season, one that Rose sat out completely, featured an endless barrages of “when will?” followed by a frustrated series of “what ifs?”

Rose lost most of the next season because of an entirely different injury, and returned this year to a truncated campaign that saw the Bulls taking their best shots (a Rose game-winner against Golden State, a Rose game-winner against Cleveland) after playing endless minutes of borderline-infuriating and unsustainable basketball.

All the while Thibodeau, the longtime assistant who couldn’t get a head gig until 2010 despite working as the lead man on several fantastic coaching staffs, had to answer for all of it. Even when he screwed up, selling out his favorite player when everyone in the arena knew that something terrible was up, the front office stayed behind the curtain.

This is the same thin-skinned front office that fired the top assistant coach in basketball – the guy who helped orchestrate the best defense in basketball, one that pushed James Harden to 13 turnovers on Thursday – because he dared wonder if building a roster to take all of 2012-13 off was a good idea. This is the same front office that lost its mind when Jeff Van Gundy got it righton a basic cable contest that nobody would have remembered had they acted as grown-ups. This is the same front office that took a correct idea – “Why are you playing Joakim Noah so many minutes?” – and literally ran roughshod with it.

This is also the same front office that put together a fantastic roster.

This is the same coach who put together a fantastic game plan.

This is also the same coach who started his season by all but assuring that his two rookies, Doug McDermott and Nikola Mirotic, would be out of the rotation as the team attempted a championship run. Great coaches don’t do that. Good coaches get by on the will and talents of players who will work hard and play talented basketball even for bad coaches. Great coaches take chances, they work through their own and their players’ mistakes, and they recognize a big picture that somehow beams beyond Tuesday’s game in Charlotte. In December.

Tom Thibodeau failed in that regard. Strangely, in a city that favors the latter over the former, talent and hard work did not win out.

The whole affair was stubborn and stupid, with the players all looking on while the grown-ups were fighting. Both the front office and the coaching staff cost Chicago the chance to see a team that worked as something greater than the sum of its parts, which is infuriating.

 

[god shamgod]

If I'm hoiberg I'm goin to Minnesota before workin fo this FD up FO ..specially with his heart problems ..

In minnesota He has a young squad a top draft pick and he seems to be better suited for that versus ( veteran players ..expectations and the shadow of thibs lurking over his shoulder )

I believe the fact he played here and connect to gar will lead him to sign ..but wouldn't b surprised if he looked else where also

I hope this FO ends up with egg on its face..solely for the way they treating thibs on way out .. Plus its own short comings over the years which the media has swept under the rug

They wouldn't of fired thibs if they didn't have hoiberg in the bag already.Most likely before the finals start hoiberg will be introduced as the new coach

 

[El Jefe]

I believe your right .. I also know that This FO has shown its inability to get simple things done correctly ..I'm not holding my breathe

 

[cornercommission2k12]

I believe your right .. I also know that This FO has shown its inability to get simple things done correctly ..I'm not holding my breathe

Breh I'm listening to waddle and silvy, and they say 2 things that makes this front office look even more incompetent

So they drafted marquis Teague without working him out

The bulls could have had d wade but didn't want to part with donyell marshall?!?!

Gawd damn how are these idiots still employed

 

[El Jefe]

Breh I'm listening to waddle and silvy, and they say 2 things that makes this front office look even more incompetent

So they drafted marquis Teague without working him out

The bulls could have had d wade but didn't want to part with donyell marshall?!?!

Gawd damn how are these idiots still employed

I rest my case

And we all know of other stuff we could add to this equation ..

Leads me to believe garpax must have footage of reisndorf or some FD up material..for them to still have they jobs.

This FO has done more damage to this team and organization ...then this coach ever did ...but he was on the chopping block ????????

 

[red222]

I rest my case

And we all know of other stuff we could add to this equation ..

Leads me to believe garpax must have footage of reisndorf or some FD up material..for them to still have they jobs.

This FO has done more damage to this team and organization ...then this coach ever did ...but he was on the chopping block ????????

Ownership fosters this behavior the organization needs an enema from the top down imo.

 

[Shutdown10]

Breh I'm listening to waddle and silvy, and they say 2 things that makes this front office look even more incompetent

So they drafted marquis Teague without working him out

The bulls could have had d wade but didn't want to part with donyell marshall?!?!

Gawd damn how are these idiots still employed

This is why I don't support Thibs being fired like this. What have GarPax done to really enhance this team? Rose is my favorite player, but you can never put all your eggs in one basket with only one prime player(before injuries). They should have gotten more creative after that ECF appearance in 2011 when the Bulls loss to the heat in 5 games. Noah and Gibson never truly worked on their offensive repertoire in the past off-seasons to get better, and Jimmy had to really seclude his self last summer to bring his game to another level. Last GarPax either let go of Nate, Belineli, or either went after the wrong support players who were slow and not athletic to put around Rose and the other core players.