Nikola Jokic vs Anthony Davis

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AD still has to earn his big game stripes.

He's blessed to have Bron guiding him

along.Jokic is seeing the court like Neo

at the end of the Matrix right now.I Don't

know if that's some shyt you can contain

tbh with you.You just have to hope his

role players let him down.
 

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AD is not in "another class" overall. 100% false.

If this were to be true, he would've had more success leading a team. If this were to be true, he wouldn't need a ball-handler to fix up a plate for him.

Another class overall means including defense.

Jokic is the better offensive player. As far as playoff success AD was only losing to the stacked Warriors and still lit them up. Jokic lost to the Blazers in 7 last year while AD upset swept them in historic fashion.

There were alot of bad teammates and injuries in NOLA too. Jokic still better at leading an offense but lets not ignore defense now.

There a massive gap in their defensive abilities. AD shouldve won DPOY this season. Jokic still gets hidden and exposed on defense. He was a straight up liability for most of the Utah series
 

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Jokic gonna give AD that work...


AD gonna give Jokic that work...


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Another class overall means including defense.
The problem with this is, offense and defense isn't a 50/50 thang. I don't think you can truly quantify both ends, in general. The game is in constant randomization. But what is established is, the game is all about getting buckets, so whoever can generate points for themselves or their team, is naturally going to have more impact. Jokic has proven to do this on a greater level than what AD has shown. That's not up for debate.
Jokic is the better offensive player. As far as playoff success AD was only losing to the stacked Warriors and still lit them up. Jokic lost to the Blazers in 7 last year while AD upset swept them in historic fashion.

There were alot of bad teammates and injuries in NOLA too.
You're not telling the full story here.

AD has made it to the playoffs, two times in seven seasons in the N.O.; two 40+ win seasons; 36-win rate per season; one playoff series wins
Jokic has made it to the playoffs, two times in five seasons in Denver; two 40+ win seasons and a 50+ win season; 44-win rate per season; three playoff series wins.

Jokic has led his team to a greater win-percentage, greater playoff-reach rate, and won more series' (all in fewer seasons).

When the Pelicans swept the T'Blazers, they had a great ensemble of defensive personnel to shutdown Dame (which yes, AD played a pivotal part in), with the likes Jrue, Rondo, Moore, Mirotic etc all carrying out this gameplan of cutting the proverbial head off the snake. And you had Jrue and Rondo running the offense for the Pels, letting AD focus entirely on scoring.



Whereas the Nuggets were in their first postseason with young main options, and Jokic had to feed himself, and take care of running the offense.
There a massive gap in their defensive abilities. AD shouldve won DPOY this season. Jokic still gets hidden and exposed on defense. He was a straight up liability for most of the Utah series
Whatever perception you have of Jokic's defense abilities, do you really seeing AD on this Nuggets squad beating both the Jazz and the Clippers?

Do you really think his x-defensive value would've made up for the lack of being able to run the offense and create for himself, which none of the Nuggets players would've aided him in? Do you really think he would've elevated all the Nuggets role players, by feeding them the ball, keeping them engaged, giving them good looks and running the offense at a high level (in spite of the absence of a system) consistently throughout both series', where they would still be in the playoff hunt right now?

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I feel like Jokic is the better player but AD might be the perfect match up for Jokic. AD has length and is an elite defender, he’ll have the length to guard him in the paint and close out on those 3. He also will make Jokic guard the perimeter and take him out the paint, Jokic is a big body in the paint and blocks shot, he’s a poor defender in general tho. AD has been lighting him up in head to head games, but the way Jokic is playing I’m not doubting him.
I don't think AD will be guarding Jokic
 

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AD clamped Jokic when he defended him during the regular season.
 

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Whatever perception you have of Jokic's defense abilities, do you really seeing AD on this Nuggets squad beating both the Jazz and the Clippers?

Do you really think his x-defensive value would've made up for the lack of being able to run the offense and create for himself, which none of the Nuggets players would've aided him in? Do you really think he would've elevated all the Nuggets role players, by feeding them the ball, keeping them engaged, giving them good looks and running the offense at a high level (in spite of the absence of a system) consistently throughout both series', where they would still be in the playoff hunt right now?

:usure:

yup to both of those questions

ESPECIALLY with the Murray we’ve seen in the bubble along side him dropping multiple 40 and 50 point games on the way to dropping 27 a night in these playoffs ...the supporting cast of the nuggets is getting severely underrated in this comparison...just kinda writing off the squad as a bunch of also rans lifted by Jokic’s brilliance running the show...they have good offensive pieces, flat out... for all the praise that’s due to him for being as good of a playmaking, table setting center as we’ve seen, the nuggets would likely been out in the first round if not Murray for elevating to the next level...that they had to comeback from 3-1 in the first round against a team they favored against in the first place was largely because Donovan Mitchell looked like a Hall of Famer attacking a Jokic anchored defense in pick and roll...the media was already writing obituaries on Denver’s season, and the overriding narrative was shaping up to be despite how cute of a novelty having a playmaker at center is ... it’s next to impossible to put a contending level defense around one of the league’s biggest pick and roll liabilities....luckily for him and the nuggets, Gorbet has own failings in that regard and Murray was able to match Mitchell in the “let me just drop 50 every night” game

AD has been, arguably, the best defensive player in basketball this year...and it’s extended to the playoffs...pretty much the prototype for what you want defensively from a big in today’s game...he fills the SINGULAR biggest hole on Denver’s squad, to pretty much the highest extent any player in the league could...offensively AD is ridiculously productive in efficiency and volume, and the best offensive replacement you’re gonna find for Jokic as a big...and I actually don’t think it’s his point center duties they’d miss the most...it’s that It just feels to me that Jokic is a bigger pressure shot maker than AD to close games...but long story short, yeah I actually do hard heartedly believe AD could have similar success as Jokic is now with that Nugget team..but all this shyt is arguable and hypothetical

on that same token...you think these lakers, who’ve hung their hats on defense all year, are better with Joker at the helm? We thought Spyda looked godly...what type of series does Dame, who came into the playoffs the hottest player in the bubble, have with being able to target Jokic in pick and roll? How much value does he add as a playmaker when on the floor with Lebron when offset to what they lose on defense? I’m taking the two way DPOY-level big that’s also giving me 28 a game on ridiculous efficiency


Head to head, I think this series is gonna illustrate the difference clear as day cause AD is perfect for nullifying the Joker/Murray two man game
 

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Man go look at AD's playoff numbers. He's putting up historical numbers and his advanced stats are damn-near record-breaking.


You're right but tbh some games he puts up stats and it still feels like he's playing like a bytch :yeshrug: He just a soft ass nikka. He needs to boss up this series.
 
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