Nikola Jokic vs Anthony Davis

[Draje]

BS Babble

You have multiple posts, during this season, about how the Heat would fall off, how we’d be obsolete, how we were fraud contenders, and you been patting yourself on the back for it. You also said Jimmy ain’t who people think he is.

Now you’re trying to act like you actually a fan. I was in almost all those topics, arguing back, and proving my point which was that the 2021 season was the fluke and the Heat were Championship contenders.

Now you’re deflecting.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You have multiple posts, during this season, about how the Heat would fall off, how we’d be obsolete, how we were fraud contenders, and you been patting yourself on the back for it. You also said Jimmy ain’t who people think he is.

Now you’re trying to act like you actually a fan. I was in almost all those topics, arguing back, and proving my point which was that the 2021 season was the fluke and the Heat were Championship contenders.

Now you’re deflecting.

I've just explained to you that because you ducked me for two years, you can't show up now and demand for me to be answerable to you. It doesn't work like that. @god shamgod and @BigMoneyGrip have already pointed this out to you, as you ducked them as well. This isn't just me that's pointing this out, there are other posters too.

It begs the question -

Why didn't you respond to me? Why do you have all this energy to quote and tag me now when you didn't previously?

Surely you have to admit it's strange how suddenly in the last week you've tagged and quoted me 100x more than you've done for the last two years.

In fact, these receipts makes you even more of a coward. Not only did you not respond to me back in 2021 when the Heat crashed out of the playoffs, but you went and made this post -

@Gil Scott-Heroin Randle is 2nd team All NBA and MIP

who’s hiding from your bytch ass

anything he did in the playoffs was GRAVY

Here you are inadvertently admitting that you were hiding from my tags, and you resorted to tagging me about Julius Randle. You completely ignored me tagging you about the Heat and you shamelessly deflected with some shyt about Randle.

How shameless can you be.

 

[Draje]

I've just explained to you that because you ducked me for two years, you can't show up now and demand for me to be answerable to you. It doesn't work like that. @god shamgod and @BigMoneyGrip have already pointed this out to you, as you ducked them as well. This isn't just me that's pointing this out, there are other posters too.

It begs the question -

Why didn't you respond to me? Why do you have all this energy to quote and tag me now when you didn't previously?

Surely you have to admit it's strange how suddenly in the last week you've tagged and quoted me 100x more than you've done for the last two years.

In fact, these receipts makes you even more of a coward. Not only did you not respond to me back in 2021 when the Heat crashed out of the playoffs, but you went and made this post -

Here you are inadvertently admitting that you were hiding from my tags, and you resorted to tagging me about Julius Randle. You completely ignored me tagging you about the Heat and you shamelessly deflected with some shyt about Randle.

How shameless can you be.

You posted a tag of me @ you but saying I was ducking you?

I don’t get active on these boards until the playoffs but I’m always there, win or lose.

You didn’t say anything worth discussing except deflecting, like a bytch, from my original point.

The Heat were a championship contending squad from the bubble till now. They were a contending squad in 2021 too but we ran into the future champions early in the 1st round but we’ve proved that we belong the year before and two years after.

You keep deflecting and I’m still right. I’m tagging you now because you shytted on the Heat THIS SEASON. You see how I’m not bringing up old shyt to shame your stupid ass takes lmao.

That’s the difference between us, fakkit. Now keep ducking your multiple statements made THIS SEASON

 

[Draje]

Imagine thinking that having @god shamgod as the dude on your team makes you look more credible

Honestly, I don’t remember @BigMoneyGrip and me going at it but maybe. I talk shyt a lot but it was probably something relatively minor.

Lmao at y’all thinking I’m ducking because I don’t care about regular season BS but responding to every single one of your stupid criticisms in every topic we’ve been in. Why would I duck you when I was right the entire time lol?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You posted a tag of me @ you but saying I was ducking you?

I don’t get active on these boards until the playoffs but I’m always there, win or lose.

You didn’t say anything worth discussing except deflecting, like a bytch, from my original point.

That tag I posted is you calling me out about Julius Randle.

You shameless fakkit.

It makes you look even worse that you ducked me when I tagged you about the Heat and you deflected by running into another thread about a completely irrelevant topic. In fact, over the past two years the only time you've tagged me is about Julius Randle (after the Heat got swept in 2021). Nothing about the Heat.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Imagine thinking that having @god shamgod as the dude on your team makes you look more credible

Honestly, I don’t remember @BigMoneyGrip and me going at it but maybe. I talk shyt a lot but it was probably something relatively minor.

Lmao at y’all thinking I’m ducking because I don’t care about regular season BS but responding to every single one of your stupid criticisms in every topic we’ve been in. Why would I duck you when I was right the entire time lol?

You ducked the smoke when the Heat got swept in 2021.

You even admitted you did at the time in that Randle post you made.

How hard is this for you to understand? How hard is this for you to admit to being a hypocrite?

 

[Draje]

That tag I posted is you calling me out about Julius Randle.

You shameless fakkit.

It makes you look even worse that you ducked me when I tagged you about the Heat and you deflected by running into another thread about a completely irrelevant topic. In fact, over the past two years the only time you've tagged me is about Julius Randle (after the Heat got swept in 2021). Nothing about the Heat.

Because I already won lmao. You can’t tag me in shyt because I said the Heat were contenders and not bubble frauds. 2021 didn’t change that at all.

 

[Left.A1]

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[Left.A1]

I’m thinking maybe the link just isn’t working for him

 

[Draje]

You ducked the smoke when the Heat got swept in 2021.

You even admitted you did at the time in that Randle post you made.

How hard is this for you to understand? How hard is this for you to admit to being a hypocrite?

Ducked what smoke?

I WAS RIGHT. THE HEAT WERE A CHAMPIONSHIP CONTENDING SQUAD THAT WAS RAVAGED DUE TO A SHORTENED COVID SEASON AND THEY ONLY LOST TO THE FUTURE 2021 CHAMPIONS.

I wasn’t wrong about anything so why would I hide from you?

I defended my points about 2021 all up an down the 2022 season in multiple threads that you were in.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Because I already won lmao. You can’t tag me in shyt because I said the Heat were contenders and not bubble frauds. 2021 didn’t change that at all.

The utter desperation of deflecting from your bullshyt.

You didn't respond to any quotes or tags when the Heat crashed out in 2021 of mine. None. Not only did you not respond to them, but you admitted you were hiding by bringing up that point in another thread where you tagged me about Julius Randle.

I wasn’t wrong about anything so why would I hide from you?

I defended my points about 2021 all up an down the 2022 season in multiple threads that you were in.

You tell me that. Because you did hide.

The evidence is all there.

I tagged you multiple times after the Heat got swept. You didn't respond. @BigMoneyGrip and @god shamgod have already pointed this out. You then shamelessly tagged me about Julius Randle after I called you out about the Heat, even saying "who’s hiding from your bytch ass" which means you were aware of me tagging you but didn't respond.

How many times do I need to reiterate this? How many times are we going to go in circles before you admit fault?

 

[Draje]

The utter desperation of deflecting from your bullshyt.

You didn't respond to any quotes or tags when the Heat crashed out in 2021 of mine. None. Not only did you not respond to them, but you admitted you were hiding by bringing up that point in another thread where you tagged me about Julius Randle.

You tell me that. Because you did hide.

The evidence is all there.

I tagged you multiple times after the Heat got swept. You didn't respond. @BigMoneyGrip and @god shamgod have already pointed this out. You then shamelessly tagged me about Julius Randle after I called you out about the Heat, even saying "who’s hiding from your bytch ass" which means you were aware of me tagging you but didn't respond.

How many times do I need to reiterate this? How many times are we going to go in circles before you admit fault?

@god shamgod is like the stupidest person on here and Ive proven him wrong on numerous occasions.

You keep saying I was hiding but I’ve been in numerous topics and defended against your stupid points, consistently. You made them with other stupid nikkas (Heat aren’t a real first seed, bubble frauds, 2021 sweep) and defended my position consistently.

You’re focused on me tagging you but not tagging you while still refuting all your stupid points is not hiding.

I’m tagging you NOW because you posted stupid comments THIS SEASON. If you kept your stupid ass comments, about the Heat, or admitted that you were wrong then I wouldn’t have even tagged you during this playoff run.

I ain’t tagged @BigMoneyGrip this season because I don’t remember him talking shyt about the Heat. Maybe he said some shyt about me but I don’t stress shyt talking in the internet and it don’t move me but he’s shown actual respect to the Heat this season.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You keep saying I was hiding but I’ve been in numerous topics and defended against your stupid points, consistently. You made them with other stupid nikkas (Heat aren’t a real first seed, bubble frauds, 2021 sweep) and defended my position consistently.

You’re focused on me tagging you but not tagging you while still refuting all your stupid points is not hiding.

Except you didn't reply to my tags. You admitted to hiding from them. I couldn't give a fukk what you think you were posting about at the time, especially when I wasn't the only one who you called you out for hiding.

You specifically ignored my tags about the Heat in 2021, but then you had the energy to tag me about Julius Randle.

Peep this - the only times you've tagged me over the last two years (prior to this week) have been about Julius Randle. Literally no tags about the Heat. Marinate on that.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

nikkas in here looking sick still trying to fight these Demons

Those demons.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Yeah, Jokic is no where near the transformative offensive force that Steph is...nowhere near the type of offball disrupter that wrecked defenses like the dubbs ...on-off splits that tell me how much better they are when Jokic is playing instead of their bench aren’t compelling to me...it’s novel to have a center be the offensive engine in the way that he is, but it’s not something that’s turning the nuggets into some kinda all time great offense ...not to the extent that it makes up for the way he’s able to be exploited on defense...in the regular season it’s something you can live with because bigs aren’t game planned against like they are in the playoffs...but in the post season it KILLS you (so far this postseason Denver actually has a NEGATIVE net rating...every series they’ve had these past two years have been 7 game struggles because they don’t have a legit contending level defense) ...so in general terms, yeah I agree individual defense isn’t as important as team defense....with the exception of centers that anchor your defense...if you have a big that is a defensive sieve, that can’t effectively switch and provides no rim protection, your defense is gonna be fatally flawed...

like look At Donovan’s 57 point game...damn near EVERY bucket is off the strength of involving Jokic in pick and roll action or flat out attacking his lack of rim protection...watch Jokic on EVERY possession in this clip



Like I said in my first post, they were a coin flip away from being bounced out the first round...we agree gorbert (despite being a far better rim protector) has similar limitations to Jokic in a playoff setting...and attributing Murray’s series saving explosions to Jokics table setting is a disservice to what was mainly some insane off the dribble shot making from the guy who leads the team in scoring with damn near 70% of his shots being non assisted in the postseason... props to the nuggets for scraping out that win in Game 7 (in which Jokic was golden) and escaping the first round by the slimmest of margins...and I tip my hat for them beating the clippers...they’ve had some luck with matchups, had they drawn the rockets shyt would’ve got ugly...but they’ve made it to the conference finals, can’t take that away from...just think the lakers are gonna put the beats on them, and AD is gonna have just as much to do with it as Bron will ...AD ain’t gorbert or Montrezl, and we’ll see what kind of impact an elite complete two way big has on this offensive wizardry we’re assigning to Joker

in a vacuum I think they’re on similar tiers...but IMO, AD’s the more complete player and ultimately the better championship piece...there are more complimentary players to be had that fit around AD and cover his holes than is the case for Jokic...any number of star shot creating, play making guards and wings matched up with AD is a problem...with Jokic, how many players are out there that solve him killing any squad he’s on in the playoffs defensively? Offensively it’s great to say “omg how cute is it that our center runs our offense”...but on defense he has the same issues other oafish bigs have in today’s league

Jokic is, at the moment, overrated cause people are at the novelty of a point center...the way I see it, basketball...WINNING championship basketball is more than anything about delegation of duties so that you maximize the talent on the squad... having a center as a primary playmaker is cute and cool and all that, but from a value standpoint is tempored by the fact there's no shortage of guards to be had that could do it instead...what can't (most) guards do? Anchor your defense, protect the rim, effectively guard either player in a big/guard pick and roll...and guess what, Jokic ain't doing it either...pretty no look passes, oh we got those all day...all while muhfukkas getting to the rim like they got a EZ pass or guards are getting whatever they want from open looks off switches

AD is not gonna be your primary playmaker, but who gives a shyt ...he's one of the best two or 3 defenders in the league and scoring at a ridiculous clip of volume and efficiency... ALWAYS give me the elite two way player....all this "bu bu but he didn't win when he was in NO" When

1. Those teams were ass...

2. The Nuggets ain't won shyt either ....two playoff trips, one ending in the 2nd round to a just aiight Blazers squad... Scrapped and clawed to get out the first round against the jazz, by literally one basket in game 7 in large part thanks to offensive explosions from Murray (who on the Pelicans did AD play with capable of dropping multiple 50 point games to save him from getting put out the first round?)....beat the clippers, which I won't hate on...and are about to get waxed by the Lakers while AD outplays Jokic on both ends of the court... y'all talk like these Nuggets are running the league or some shyt

3. Mentioned this earlier in the thread, but what about the other side of the "bu bu but Jokic lead Denver to 1 round further in the playoffs than AD did NO, once" or "I bet AD couldn't lead this Nugget team to a 2nd round victory" coin? The Lakers are the favorites to win the chip, to a large part due to their defense....a defense that went from subpar last year to one of the best in the league with the arrival of AD...Are the Lakers better with Jokic in AD's place?

I'll take the guy that can give you 30 and 10 along with DPOY defense every night... hes not gonna give me as long of a "pretty pass" YouTube package, but there won't be as many ones of Mitchell dropping 57 on his head either

I tried to tell you but you didn't wanna listen.

Ain't nothing sweeter than him sweeping your bum ass franchise.

Jokic > AD. Now and forever.