Nikola Jokic vs Anthony Davis

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Jokic's out here putting up all-time great performances, single-handedly dragging his team to wins, meanwhile, AD's out here more concerned with fighting his own teammates.

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AD hasn’t been the same player since the chip year, and it concerns me if he’ll ever get back to that level while dealing with that degenerative Achilles…doesn’t change the fact that AD was better than Jokic in the playoffs that year they were bounced by the lakers in route to a ring…and while he’s better than current AD, he’ll be bounced again and again in the playoffs because despite the novelty of being an offensive engine as a center….the nuggets will always struggle to put together a championship level defense with him as the anchor
 

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AD hasn’t been the same player since the chip year, and it concerns me if he’ll ever get back to that level while dealing with that degenerative Achilles…doesn’t change the fact that AD was better than Jokic in the playoffs that year they were bounced by the lakers in route to a ring…and while he’s better than current AD, he’ll be bounced again and again in the playoffs because despite the novelty of being an offensive engine as a center….the nuggets will always struggle to put together a championship level defense with him as the anchor

the game so spread out now you don’t really need that anchor at center anymore, I look at this last finals Brook Lopez and Ayton were far from defensive anchors
 

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the game so spread out now you don’t really need that anchor at center anymore, I look at this last finals Brook Lopez and Ayton were far from defensive anchors

the finals that was won with Giannis playing DPOY level defense? The finals where one of the most pivotal plays that swung the series was a defensive play that pretty much only Giannis and a healthy AD are capable of?



there’s a reason why Giannis was playing center in crunch time of a super tight game 5 of a tied finals series…put some slow footed oaf there in that spot and CP3 or Book eat them alive in pick and rolls and the suns are the champs….same reason why Murray wasn’t dropping 50 against the lakers every game in their series when they beat the nuggets in route to the chip
 

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the finals that was won with Giannis playing DPOY level defense? The finals where one of the most pivotal plays that swung the series was a defensive play that pretty much only Giannis and a healthy AD are capable of?



there’s a reason why Giannis was playing center in crunch time of a super tight game 5 of a tied finals series…put some slow footed oaf there in that spot and CP3 or Book eat them alive in pick and rolls and the suns are the champs….same reason why Murray wasn’t dropping 50 against the lakers every game in their series when they beat the nuggets in route to the chip

But Giannis isn’t a center, whose to say the Nuggets can’t find a a defensive anchor to pair Jokic with
 

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But Giannis isn’t a center, whose to say the Nuggets can’t find a a defensive anchor to pair Jokic with

but he’s playing center literally during the most important moments of the most important game of the finals…not that the position itself is all that important anyway, teams will hunt whoever the most immobile big is any way and make him a target…and good luck just finding (and acquiring and paying) an AD/Freak/DPOY level super versatile switchy big that you can just throw in there with Jokic :russ:…that’s been my point the whole thread, those type of players are more scarce than guards and wings that can be offensive engines ….
 
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AD hasn’t been the same player since the chip year, and it concerns me if he’ll ever get back to that level while dealing with that degenerative Achilles…doesn’t change the fact that AD was better than Jokic in the playoffs that year they were bounced by the lakers in route to a ring…
He's the exact same player as he was during the Bubble playoff run. He benefited from essentially having an offseason period between the regular season and postseason to rest up, and didn't need to travel during the playoffs, which gave him a greater platform to stay healthy. Along with the context of an empty gym, which undoubtedly helped his performances, most notably his shooting percentages: there's a reason why his shooting splits that playoff run read as an anomaly compared to every other year.

He had ideal conditions to perform, along with a near-absolute support cast: playing sidekick to one of the GOATs who was the #1 option, who handled all the game managing and orchestration of the offense, had the luxury of Dwight and McGee handling all the donkey defensive work against centers and big men (allowing him to play a free safety role and guarding smaller players), and a litany of players that fulfilled every other role in the team, almost all of which at a high level.

But when everything is NOT in his favor, he underperforms; he can't live off one playoff run where he had everything set up for him. Not when someone like Jokic has proven year in, year out in the playoffs, that he rises to an all-time great level no matter the circumstances, all with a greater role within his team.
and while he’s better than current AD,
Ever since he rose to superstardom, Jokic has always been better. The fact you're even acknowledging he's better currently, tells me deep down you know he was when this thread was made, which was only a year ago.
he’ll be bounced again and again in the playoffs because despite the novelty of being an offensive engine as a center….the nuggets will always struggle to put together a championship level defense with him as the anchor
You keep on bringing up the "novelty" of the role he plays, as if it's something that's not built to last or break at the first sign of adversity. No player has done more with less in the playoffs over the last three postseasons. Just because you view AD's athleticism and length as a greater commodity, doesn't mean he's a better player.

This is where the problem lies: you misconstrue Denver not being able to put a championship-level support cast around Jokic as a fault of his, relaying this conventional wisdom that a big man who's average on defense can't be the anchor of championship-success, when you fail to identify and acknowledge that AD had arguably more help in New Orleans, but had considerably less success and didn't perform to the standard that Jokic has in Denver.


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nikkas in here looking sick still trying to fight these Demons :francis:
 

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AD hasn’t been the same player since the chip year, and it concerns me if he’ll ever get back to that level while dealing with that degenerative Achilles…doesn’t change the fact that AD was better than Jokic in the playoffs that year they were bounced by the lakers in route to a ring…and while he’s better than current AD, he’ll be bounced again and again in the playoffs because despite the novelty of being an offensive engine as a center….the nuggets will always struggle to put together a championship level defense with him as the anchor


People seem to forget about this:ld:
 

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AD proving yet again that he can't win as the #1 option. He's a sidekick, that's who he is. There's nothing wrong with that, but sidekicks is who he should be compared to.

I made this thread earlier in the year and got killed for it.

Boogie in his short stint as a Pelican >> AD


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The biggest mistake the org made was never looking for a player better than Anthony until Boogie

AD quit after he saw how easy it was playing with DeMarcus and Boog going down and how he had to go back to being Number 1

I didn't forget him getting sonned by Draymond "Kareem Stopper" Green

That Portland sweep was not about just Anthony

Jrue was a our best player on both sides--damn shame he could never be consistent

I'm all about empathy for players, but, my dude, you didn't get that much better during your time in NO a



 
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People seem to forget about this:ld:
He's the exact same player as he was during the Bubble playoff run. He benefited from essentially having an offseason period between the regular season and postseason to rest up, and didn't need to travel during the playoffs, which gave him a greater platform to stay healthy. Along with the context of an empty gym, which undoubtedly helped his performances, most notably his shooting percentages: there's a reason why his shooting splits that playoff run read as an anomaly compared to every other year.

He had ideal conditions to perform, along with a near-absolute support cast: playing sidekick to one of the GOATs who was the #1 option, who handled all the game managing and orchestration of the offense, had the luxury of Dwight and McGee handling all the donkey defensive work against centers and big men (allowing him to play a free safety role and guarding smaller players), and a litany of players that fulfilled every other role in the team, almost all of which at a high level.

But when everything is NOT in his favor, he underperforms; he can't live off one playoff run where he had everything set up for him.

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AD had potential to be the best player in the league. But he will never reach that potential anymore. He's too damn weak physically and mentally. He's getting paid 35 mil per year and has bubble guts before the game, for fukk sakes...
 
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