Nikola Jokic is a f*cking maniac
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Only Finals loser to ever win MVP. 1-9 in the Finals and known as Mr. Clutch and the logo.
Just like me. What you see is what you get
. Should've never let a young nígga get comfortable
Wipe the slob off your hands and mouth. Gobbling that man like a prime Tori Black.
Just like you? But you're a fakkit. And we already know Ant doesn't fukk with them types.Just like me. What you see is what you get
Should've never let a young nígga get comfortable
Just like you? But you're a fakkit. And we already know Ant doesn't fukk with them types.
You even post images like a fakkit.
emotional breh tells observant breh "it's just basketball". weird brehs on this thread man
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
She leads in deflections and steals, so she has an excellent chance.Kamala got a shot at MVP this year?
Tommy Gibbs
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ok, first of all, getting steals definitely doesn't always mean you're playing defense. James harden has more than double the steals of Rodman in his NBA career because he plays the passing lanes and gambles, just as Iverson did. Hakeem getting steals was quite different because 1, he wasn't hid on defense, and 2, he rarely gambled for the steal because he was the anchor on defense and would put the team at a disadvantage if he missed the steal.
3rd, a lie is a lie, I don't care how many times it's told or how loud you tell it. In 2021, AD and Draymond averaged more steals than Jokic . In 2020, Drummond averaged more steals than Jokic So I don't know where your information came from or maybe you thought no one else had access to NBA stats, but your statements simply aren't true. Last season Jokic averaged and had more steals than Wemby and I don't know anyone in their right mind would claim Jokic is a better defender than Wemby.
Also, every star that carried offensive load does NOT rest on defense. Paul George didn't rest on defense in Indiana. Wemby doesn't rest on defense now. Hakeem never rested. Wemby doesn't rest. Giannis won mvp/DPOY same season(just as Hakeem). Stop making excuses for a CENTER being hid on defense.
I would have responded sooner but I was looking at the Spurs vs Wolves game and boxing(still watching boxing)
How did I know that shyt would go right over your head.
I initially brought up deflections, you then try to criticize it by saying it was "a new stat and mfers are running with it" as if it didn't have any value, so then I used steals, because that is a stat that's not new and is used in discussions about defense all the time, particularly by casuals. The reasoning behind your critiques about the evidence I provided aren't adding up.
One minute you're criticizing a stat that is new (as if that is even a legitimate reason to devalue it), but then when I provide a stat that is not new, you come back with some more bullshyt.
Nobody said steals automatically make you a good defender or that you're playing defense, I'm simply contesting your argument about how deflections aren't valuable because they're a new stat. What do you have against new stats? What do you have against deflections when they're a valuable defensive trait?
When I'm talking about big men, I'm talking about centers.
I don't really count Draymond as specifically being a "big man", anyway. AD did not average more steals than Jokic either - they both averaged 1.3; AD only played 36 games that season, so he doesn't really qualifiy. You'd know this if you actually checked the rankings where AD isn't listed.
2020 is the only year I got wrong, most likely because I clicked the postseason dropdown box by mistake (whren he ranks #1). With that said, what a ridiculous thing to contest when Jokic was #2 out of all big men (centers) that season. You're arguing minutiae and not the overarching point. You haven't once made an argument as to why you believe he's a "shytty defender" either.
#1 in 2023
#1 in 2022
#1 in 2021
#2 in 2020.
Nobody is saying that because Jokic averages x-amount of steals that he's a better defender than someone who averages fewer. That is a strawman. I'm illustrating because he has incredible BBIQ (hence this thread showing him calling out an opposition play before it happens), that he can use his hands to disrupt actions, hence why he has so many deflections and steals. That's not the sign of a "shytty defender". You're completely exacerbating his lack of defensive ability because he doesn't fit the mold of a typical defensive big. Just as he doesn't fit the mold of the best conditioned big in the league either, but he stands above all the rest.
Tommy Gibbs
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no, you said, and I quote, "big men". You did not say "center". And Drummond is still a center.
Still out here arguing minutiae after I've clarified for you I'm talking about centers. And I already told you what the deal with Drummond was. Essentially, your entire arugment hangs on one season where Draymond averaged more steals than him.
This tells me you don't have an argument, at all.
Why can't you argue the actual point that's being made? Why are you splitting hairs about one player who averaged more steals than him?
Where do y'all cats come up with this nonsensical shyt?Years ago, I was on forums and facebook telling everyone, "Giannis will be so dominant on both ends in the years to come, they will start spreading the MVP around because they don't want to keep giving it to him'. They did it to Kareem in the 70s. Thought Kareem won 5 of his 6 mvp awards in the 70s they robbed him 2 years by giving the award to Cowens and Mcadoo(the first KD, a center that could shoot the rock and wasn't a defender). The sad thing is that the league has no criteria for MVP. They basically change it every year to fit their narrative. One year they are giving it to the high scorer on the team with the best record, another year they are giving it to someone stat padding on a team that's a lower seed in the playoffs. Last year, Giannis put up some of his best stats of his career and finished 4th in mvp voting behind Jokic, Luka, and Shai. The funiest thing is that he put up better stats last year than one of the years he won mvp. The craziest thing is that last year his defensive stats were better than the year he won DPOY and he finished 9th place in voting. Someone please explain this shyt to me because I don't get it.
Giannis didn't deserve the MVP last season. Nobody in their right mind believed so.
The Bucks won 49 games (3rd seed in the East); Jokic's team won 57 games (1st seed= in the West); Luka's team won 50 games; and Shai's team won 57. Apart from Luka, the other candidates who polled higher for MVP won considerably more games. What do his numbers last year have to do with his numbers during his MVP seasons? He's not competing with the players during his past years, he's competing with the players of that specific year.
Same goes for his defensive stats. Just because you think they were better last year than his DPOY season doesn't mean anything. He's not competing with past seasons. Why does the obviousness of this need to be pointed out? Furthermore, can you please provide these defensive stats were he ranked higher and/or was better last season compared to his DPOY year.
The Bucks were ranked 19th on defense last season, and you're out here trying to beat your chest over his defensive worth.
There's virtually no difference in his blocks and steal numbers from last season compared to his DPOY season (.1 and .2, respectively). He held opponents to a lower FG% in the paint in his DPOY season, compared to last season, albeit both seasons are on a low sample size. He contested 9.3 shots in his DPOY season, compared to last season where he only contested 6.5 shots. He had a 113 defensive rating last year compared to a 97 defensive rating in his DPOY season (the lower the number the better).
I ask, let's see all these defensive stats that were supposedly better last year compared to his DPOY season, and why do you think they're relevant to the MVP race when Milwaukee had one of the worst defenses in the league?
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The overrating of Giannis on this board never ceases to amaze me. The utter desperation and delusion to keep him relevant as the best player in the league is one of the strangest things. It's like folks don't watch games anymore, and are living off his championship season.
