Nikki doesn’t think The Bellas get enough credit for starting the women's revolution

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There is a reason it's called a revolution. NXT was putting on such great women's matches that fans demanded the same on the main roster.

All they were getting there were 30 second to 2 min matches that no one cared about.

AJ Lee planted the seeds that eventually grew into the NXT style of wrestling which would be the standard bearer with the likes of Paige, Emma, Sasha, Becky, Bayley and Charlotte.

The Bellas just happened to be a part of a turning point in history, it doesn't give them credit for starting it. It just means they were part of the problem.
 

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She might just be working the sheets brother. No smark has ever actually thought they were good, or ever will. Their political game is incredible though, for women that appeared to be mindless at first they have to be fairly clever. They've made it a very long way.
 

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I asked a couple beards to name me one Bellas match that you could objectively say is a great match. They couldn't do it. I think it's hilarious how certain people think we should give Nikki "credit" for "improving" over the years... Why does she deserve credit for doing her job? She's still bottom tier.

And Brie never improved at all :mjlol:

I only give her credit for improving in the sense that...she didn't have to. I mean...*points at Brie* she really could have just sat back, rested on her looks and collected her check like her sister, Rosa Mendes, Kelly Kelly and some other women of that era did. So, I give her credit for at least caring enough to get passable in the ring at a time where coasting was acceptable.

But this "she improved" narrative is also used to compare her to Trish and that irks me. Because w/Trish you can instantly point to Trish/Lita and Trish/Mickie as rivalries where the other wrestler, in part b/c of their work w/her, was elevated and it helped them on the way to cementing their own legacy. That has NEVER happened w/Nikki. The closest you come to that was w/Charlotte and even that's a weak argument b/c when you ask anyone about "Matches that made Charlotte Flair" very few people are gonna point to her beating Nikki for the Divas title even though that was Charlotte's first major win on the main roster. What should be a defining moment of Charlotte's career gets bumped way down the line b/c instead of having to bring her game up to the level of the champion, most folks feel like the champion wasn't Charlotte's level. That right there tells you all you need to know about the fallacy of Nikki Bella "elevating" anyone.
 

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What kills me from Nikki and her defenders is the idea that she is somehow entitled to people's respect and some measure of "credit." Why exactly? Because she stars on a reality show that has had dwindling viewers for years? Even when we concede that Total Divas brought in a new set fans, are we really going to act like that alone entitles the Bellas to more props than the 4HW, AJ Lee, Paige, Emma, or any of the other women who were on the show with them? Why do Nikki and Brie get more credit than Cameron, Naomi, Nattie, Summer Rae, or Alicia Fox to name a few?

The reason AJ Lee's "Pipebomb Shell" promo was so effective was because there was already a strong resentment toward the Divas among the WWE fans who actually watched wrestling, female fans included.* Fan who watched Joshi promotions like Stardom and even stateside stuff like Shimmer and TNA**, fans who knew women's wrestling could be good, hated the Divas division because it was just....bad.

AJ got on because fans saw her as offering something different, on top of the fact that she wasn't afraid to speak out on the company's bullshyt re: the women. Paige got on because despite also being on TD, fans saw her the same way. The Bellas, by comparison, were the prototypical "Divas." They had their fans. They've always had their fans. However, we have got to stop trying to revise history to say they put the women on their back and brought this whole thing about. They didn't. The Bellas, especially Nikki, would have been more than happy to let the women continue on the path they were on if it meant they were still the stars and were still cashing the biggest checks. And hey: that's the game at work. It is what it is, but don't be mad at people for seeing it.:yeshrug:

The "revolution," at least among the fans, was started in response to them and desire to see better than what they offered at the time. It is what it is. The "evolution" part of this whole thing - that is, WWE's corporate co-opting of it - has done nothing but try and make the Bellas a bigger part of the whole thing. They bring up Nikki being the longest reigning Divas Champion all the time despite the fact that they themselves bushed the Divas title and treated it like a lesser thing at Wrestle-fukking-mania. The Bellas get to be on both shows. They got a spinoff of TD that's just about them even though they're still on TD. They main evented Evolution with Ronda Rousey. They have an increasingly large contingent of fans willing to defend them at every turn. Again, what more does Nikki want?

*Can we stop pretending that female wrestling fans weren't a thing before Total Divas? Lowkey, it's sexist as hell to act like the women watching today only showed up because of some reality show on the E network. There have always been female WWE fans and female fans of wrestling in general. Half of today's women roster grew up on WWE. I know folks want Total Divas to be this huge revolutionary game changer, but let's not erase the people who were already watching and supporting the women even when you didn't give a shyt.

**Funny how we have this big controversy over the word "Diva" when Impact still calls their women's division "The Knockouts" - an term often used to comment on a woman's looks - and no one bats an eye. Could it be that, despite some dark periods here and there, the Knockouts division has generally been treated with respect and been allowed to main event shows and have whole PPVs and the company hasn't gone out of its way to shyt on the term?
 

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Nikki needs to shut the fukk up and be glad dating Cena gave her a second shot. They left thinking they could make it on their own and failed. Neither one has a memorable match on their resume, and the only reason they even got the spotlight was because they took Punk leaving out on AJ.

Her best match was likely the one with Charlotte where she lost the Diva's title. One guess why?
 

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Didn't these twin hoes leave the wrestling industry to try their hands in Hollywood only for them to not get on, and have to come crawling back to wrestling, lol. They don't give a f*ck about wrestling, these 2 are/have used it as a launching pad for other ventures :mjlol:
Yep
 
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