NEW: Trump wants Gaza to be completely removed and move Palestinians elsewhere — "Palestinians have no alternative but to leave Gaza”

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Algerians fought the French for 132 years before being free. South Africans fought the Boers for 46 years. The solution is a two-state one. Back to the 1960s borders. That or Israel will not exist in 20 years. Its already lost too much support and its economy is dying.
Ahh I see… yeah it’s tough to say… idk the answer…
 

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Common sense would tell the democrats to listen to their constituents that gave them 13 months to shift policy on, I can't believe I have to stress this, supporting a genocide. The Uncommitted Movement in January 24, the student protests in April to June, the DNC protests in August. Maybe the moral obligation to not facilitate wholesale killing should have been an easy decision to make...using common sense. All the people involved in these actions, as constituents of the Democrats, wanted them to stop. Yet they chose not to and handed votes to the couch and Donald Trump.
So you’re advocating for the greater of two evils?
Yes or no. Was it better for the interests of that community to support Trump by voting for him or sitting out the election?
36% of Dearborn voters voted for Kamala. So using your logic, "this is what they wanted" as well?
you know that’s not what I’m saying. I’m highlighting the absurdity of Trump winning the largest Muslim/Arab majority community in the country. Engage in good faith. When people say “this is what the country voted for” do you think they mean 100% of the country?
 

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Aged like milk :dead: :dead:

One of the worst fukking things ever. This mothafukka in office is going to cart them people off and develop that area.

And it doesn't matter who actually does it, just like Biden and Kamala were basically considered to have dropped the bombs themselves, Trump is going to displace the fukk out of those people and should be recognized as such. I wish them luck because this is awful to have a whole people be moved up outta their homes with PTSD all throughout the population.
 

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What did you think Israel's right to self defense was? The tacit and explicit complicity would end at a ceasefire when Gaza was flattened? That they'd about face and stop providing cover at the UN?

Egyptians and Jordanians said they wouldn't take them. Israel has become a pariah state and America is destroying its legitimacy globally.

The Saudis will not go with this plan and without them nothing is happening.

On top of all this, Trump wants to negotiate with the Iranians on a peace deal.

Asking for a plan literally 2 weeks into a new administration with information coming out by the minute is naive.



We have no idea whether Israel would have continued to annex the Gaza strip under a Kamala presidency, however she stated she was against that. Trump stated he was all for it. None of this information in this thread is new, and people have been telling you this would happen all year. :mjlol:



Trump has shown in weeks he has a very unstable, pro israel temperament as was expected. Who knows what leverage he could use to make them bend just like he has done to Canada, Mexico and other south american countries.
 

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So you’re advocating for the greater of two evils?
Yes or no. Was it better for the interests of that community to support Trump by voting for him or sitting out the election?
Reread what i wrote if you think being against a genocide is advocating for evil. It was better for the interests of that community, and the incumbent party, to not participate in the killing of their people.
you know that’s not what I’m saying. I’m highlighting the absurdity of Trump winning the largest Muslim/Arab majority community in the country. Engage in good faith. When people say “this is what the country voted for” do you think they mean 100% of the country?
Does it matter what the majority voted for if everyone will suffer regardless? What exactly is the point of saying "they voted for this" if not, at best a sick schadenfreude, or, at worst, malice towards victims? You can't ask me to engage in good faith when the premise of your argument is predicated on me denying my support for a ceasefire and an end to a state sponsored genocide. Reexamine how you want to approach your argument, especially from a moral position.
 

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Reread what i wrote if you think being against a genocide is advocating for evil. It was better for the interests of that community, and the incumbent party, to not participate in the killing of their people.

Does it matter what the majority voted for if everyone will suffer regardless? What exactly is the point of saying "they voted for this" if not, at best a sick schadenfreude, or, at worst, malice towards victims? You can't ask me to engage in good faith when the premise of your argument is predicated on me denying my support for a ceasefire and an end to a state sponsored genocide. Reexamine how you want to approach your argument, especially from a moral position.

Clear lack of empathy.

What group of people would vote for a party that’s actively murdering their relatives?
 
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