Nelson Mandela dead at 95.

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He did that so we didn't have to go through that :to:

He, along with MLK and Malcolm, are among the strongest human beings ever in the history of mankind. I was blessed to live a life where he led his people to a better place where they can improve. :to:

RIP to the true king of the people

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I hope y'all know that he was clinically dead back in June. They only held him on life-support so the off-springs and the ANC split up his millions of his estate. Mandela was brain dead for the past 6 months. A living vegetable. Sad, but it's a fucckin' disgrace how the government and the family exploited his death like this.
 

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That's what I figured as well, they kept him from the limelight and decided to pull the plug.
 

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How the hell was Mandela a safe negro and took the "pacifist" route? As usual some of you are so clueless on anything outside of your state borders. He did not reject armed struggle until a deal was signed in 1993. Even after his prison release he would unequivocally defend armed struggle along with civil resistance until the apartheid regime met their demands. He never apologized for sticking by leaders who supported the ANC and larger anti apartheid movement, even when they were deeply unpopular. He used to get heat in the early 90s for his relationship with the PLO and Castro among others. If he was a "safe" negro he would've abandoned them for the sake of pragmatic politics but he never did. Coli contrarians are the worst.

and don't forget, he rode with Gaddafi (who these armchair revolutionaries fellate relentlessly) til the very end.

while I would have loved if Mandela uprooted and smashed every vestige of power and privilege in the country, declare SA a radical socialist state and hold Nuremberg-style trials, we do need to appreciate the fact that at the time of the defeat of apartheid, Soviet Union was dead and gone and the Non-Aligned Movement was an irrelevant actor. there was no counterbalance to Western hegemony, if he wanted to give his people some semblance of dignity/freedom, he would have to play by their rules or these cacs would done South Africa worse than Cuba and Iraq.
 

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Six Things Nelson Mandela Believed That Most People Won’t Talk About

1. Mandela blasted the Iraq War and American imperialism. Mandela called Bush “a president who has no foresight, who cannot think properly,” and accused him of “wanting to plunge the world into a holocaust” by going to war in Iraq. “All that (Mr. Bush) wants is Iraqi oil,” he said. Mandela even speculated that then-Secretary-General Kofi Annan was being undermined in the process because he was black. “They never did that when secretary-generals were white,” he said. He saw the Iraq War as a greater problem of American imperialism around the world. “If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America. They don’t care,” he said.

2. Mandela called freedom from poverty a “fundamental human right.” Mandela considered poverty one of the greatest evils in the world, and spoke out against inequality everywhere. “Massive poverty and obscene inequality are such terrible scourges of our times — times in which the world boasts breathtaking advances in science, technology, industry and wealth accumulation — that they have to rank alongside slavery and apartheid as social evils,” he said. He considered ending poverty a basic human duty: “Overcoming poverty is not a gesture of charity. It is an act of justice. It is the protection of a fundamental human right, the right to dignity and a decent life,” he said. “While poverty persists, there is no true freedom.”

3. Mandela criticized the “War on Terror” and the labeling of individuals as terrorists, even Osama Bin Laden, without due process. On the U.S. terrorist watch list until 2008 himself, Mandela was an outspoken critic of President George W. Bush’s war on terror. He warned against rushing to label terrorists without due process. While calling for Osama bin Laden to be brought to justice, Mandela said, “The labeling of Osama bin Laden as the terrorist responsible for those acts before he had been tried and convicted could also be seen as undermining some of the basic tenets of the rule of law.”

4. Mandela called out racism in America. On a trip to New York City in 1990, Mandela made a point of visiting Harlem and praising African Americans’ struggles against “the injustices of racist discrimination and economic equality.” He reminded a larger crowd at Yankee Stadium that racism was not exclusively a South African phenomenon. “As we enter the last decade of the 20th century, it is intolerable, unacceptable, that the cancer of racism is still eating away at the fabric of societies in different parts of our planet,” he said. “All of us, black and white, should spare no effort in our struggle against all forms and manifestations of racism, wherever and whenever it rears its ugly head.”

5. Mandela embraced some of America’s biggest political enemies. Mandela incited shock and anger in many American communities for refusing to denounce Cuban dictator Fidel Castro or Libyan Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, who had lent their support to Mandela against South African apartheid. “One of the mistakes the Western world makes is to think that their enemies should be our enemies,” he explained to an American TV audience. “We have our own struggle.” He added that those leaders “are placing resources at our disposal to win the struggle.” He also called the controversial Palestinian Liberation Organization leader Yasser Arafat “a comrade in arms.”

6. Mandela was a die-hard supporter of labor unions. Mandela visited the Detroit auto workers union when touring the U.S., immediately claiming kinship with them. “Sisters and brothers, friends and comrades, the man who is speaking is not a stranger here,” he said. “The man who is speaking is a member of the UAW. I am your flesh and blood.”

 

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Mandela forgave them CACs. and this is what he gets in return? Lets see what happens if someone radical takes over.
 

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Mandela forgave them CACs. and this is what he gets in return? Lets see what happens if someone radical takes over.

Whites, like any person or group, respond to INCENTIVES. If you REWARD THEM for black murder, torture, and oppression by refusing to punish them, they will just keep on doing what they do.
 

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It's part of a pattern to disfigure all black leaders. There is always some diaphanous, ever changing standard of perfection that they must reach otherwise they are thrown the wolves, and their reputations allowed to be besmirched even in eulogy. Meanwhile men like Albert Pike and Nathan Bedford Forrest are-considering the number of monuments erected to them- literally pillars of white American society.

Message to Black people: Defend your leaders, defend their reputations, do not require them to be perfect human beings in order to do so. Honor thy father.

Mandela did take a pacifist route that relied on white empathy and sympathy. The apartheid regime fell because white nations took a conscious approach and refused to fund the regime. In other words, Mandela BEGGED the cac countries and after many long years, they finally agreed to help. Merely because Mandela was black (though he is obviously mixed with Khoisan) does not mean he should escape criticism. His begging approach would not work with a people like the Israelis. Beg all he likes but the Israelis would take his house anyway.
 

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He was released from his 27 year prison sentence on my sixth birthday:wow:
 

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Mandela did take a pacifist route that relied on white empathy and sympathy. The apartheid regime fell because white nations took a conscious approach and refused to fund the regime. In other words, Mandela BEGGED the cac countries and after many long years, they finally agreed to help. Merely because Mandela was black (though he is obviously mixed with Khoisan) does not mean he should escape criticism. His begging approach would not work with a people like the Israelis. Beg all he likes but the Israelis would take his house anyway.

He does not escape criticism because merely he was black, he does so because he is merely a black figurehead that sacrificed 20 years of his life in the endeavor of uplifting the black people. Your mythology will need heroes. In this age, your people will live in their mythologies. Replace the word 'mythology' with 'identity' and you will start the transition to the next age.

I will celebrate all the black men who step forth and speak out and sacrifice for their people. You will never find me haranguing them on their deathbed. Be it Malcolm or Martin or Madeba. It is within our embrace, within their defense and within the circle formed by our locked arms that our children will grow as robust men ready to defend their generation.
 

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I have to run and can't dap everyone right now
props to all who honor this great father on his passing
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