Interesting. I always thought that, when ‘Face was sayin’ that, he was implying that he'd spoken to Dirty Red, and that it was Dirty Red who'd said that HE (Dirty Red) never saw Flip in the Clover, as in “that nikka don’t be in the streets like that because the nikkas from his own hood who ARE in the streets don’t acknowledge him….”
But yeah, them back-and-forth debates on the "Beef" DVDs are like that, to where the person who you would THINK isn’t lying (e.g., T.I.) most likely WERE the ones lying. That Nelly/Chingy situation is like that, too, and also that DMX/K-Solo situation.