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Nas just elite at starting a verse. The way he comes in on Hollywood Gangster with the ‘scars of martyrs, the path of b*stard seeds’ is :blessed:

The first few times I didn't really catch the opening lines, I just liked the way it flowed. But when what he's saying sinks in it's like :ohhh:
 

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Untitled was fire and I thought it stuck to the theme great I don’t know what y’all nikkas was listening to or EXPECTING but that shyt was great. nikkas wanted an aggressive album but this one was more calm and reflective. Both approaches are effective. My cousin has that shyt as her 3rd favorite Nas album and she more cerebral than 90% of the nikkas I know so he must’ve hit somewhere right. An album that felt THAT way to me is TPAB by Kendrick. But nikkas hate speaking on that tho. Untitled >>>>>>> TPAB.

Edit: Nas BLACKED on that Like Me bonus track.
Blacker The Berry is harder than everything on Untitled. I actually don’t think the albums are similar or comparable though. TPAB is a far more personal album that has been labeled blackity black by white reviewers. Sure it’s a very black album but even the people who worked on it feel it was more about Kendrick’s personal experiences, going to South Africa and coming back to Compton. The overall “blackness” is moreso in the sound. Going all the way left with jazz and funk on your follow up to your major label debut.

Untitled feels far more macro and about the black community/issues to me. It’s less about Nas and more about how he views the community, whereas TPAB is more about Kendrick basically. And I’d say TPAB is the superior album to me, and I think most people would agree with that.

I’m not sure there’s a song on Untitled that matters in any way - either something that became a staple of Nas’ live show, got good radio play, is a classic or great Nas track, etc. That and HHID just feel like albums that disappear in the catalog when you look at it ten plus years later and see how things went.
 

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I feel the same way about all of Nas' Def Jam albums. Each one had a very specifically marketed theme or concept, and each album doesn't match it. HHID has a couple thematic tracks but largely feels aimless and bloated. Untitled sticks to the theme more than HHID but the commentary/theme doesn't really match the explosive initial title or marketing of the album. And Life Is Good, which a GREAT album, is NOT a breakup album or comparable to Here, My Dear like it was made out to be. It's almost entirely about nostalgia, with a couple tracks about Kelis/relationships.

I thought Untitled was going to be aggressive, thought provoking, in-your-face and it's not really any of that to me. There's nothing subversive about it either. When you think about it from an influence perspective, the obvious thought would be Nas making a Public Enemy album right? Mix that with more modern sounds (working with Dead Prez) and it just seemed like we were going to get some "punch the white establishment in the face" type shyt, directed by Spike Lee. Instead he dropped a mixtape that sounded far harder/better than the actual album. The album just sounds like a battle with Def Jam. And while I think the obvious reaction here would be "well that's because it was too black for the label" I think the real issue was that it wasn't that good. I can think of all types of ways that album could have been commercially viable without compromising the theme, and I'd imagine LA Reid could too. Instead the direction was just...well, yea.

I can think of so many albums that came out before Untitled or around the same time that did "that" better on every level. Lyrically, beats, theme, etc. It starts with the singles up front, which tells you right away who is doing the sequencing (the label). Then you get a variety of uninspired, slow tempo beats. Not a single track on the album matches the energy or tempo of stuff from the mixtape like Gangsta Rap, Cops Keep Firing, or Legendary. I was expecting Ice Cube shyt. Think...Amerikkka's Most Wanted, Endangered Species, True To The Game, Us, etc. Those first three albums touch a variety of topics yet feel more in tune with what "Untitled" wanted to be than the album. Or think Mos' first two albums. Or think about The Coup's albums. Even Dead Prez' albums, which tend to be less in-your-face production wise than some of the stuff I mentioned, still FEEL right because of the lyrics and tone. I just don't feel that on Untitled.

It's not a bad album, it's just forgettable to me and should have been better. And back to the sequencing, putting Fried Chicken and Project Roach back to back just felt like the ultimate head shake moment. There are some narrative devices you only get away with once. I Gave You Power was that, and it worked because it had never been done before. So to do it again, but twice, back to back on the same album...nah. It doesn't work for me.

That is EXACTLY my feeling about that whole Era. You nailed it. And hence why I was disappointed by HHID and Untitled. Deep down, I believe Nas had these themes as a marketing scheme. But both HHID and Untitled concepts were poorly executed because he was unfocused at that time, that's all, and like you said, he performed below expectations for such themes.

And this is why Hitboy is a blessing because shyt like that won't happen anymore now. There's no more "he should've done this/shouldn't have done that", complaints about simple things like sequencing etc.. Or even song selection. There won't be times like his best recordings are cut out the tracklisting or left as bonus tracks like on LIG. We can just relax and appreciate the quality being released and not feel frustrated like in those days
 

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I'll forever be confused by the placement of those two songs. They're such natural fits on their opposite albums. I'd like to know whose decision it was to put them there.

On the same note I wished why you hate the game was on HHID and hustlers on doctor's advocate. They fit better that way and it would have been the first and only just Blaze track on a nas album and the game would have a dre production on an album which have none ironically given the albums name
 

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Blacker The Berry is harder than everything on Untitled. I actually don’t think the albums are similar or comparable though. TPAB is a far more personal album that has been labeled blackity black by white reviewers. Sure it’s a very black album but even the people who worked on it feel it was more about Kendrick’s personal experiences, going to South Africa and coming back to Compton. The overall “blackness” is moreso in the sound. Going all the way left with jazz and funk on your follow up to your major label debut.

Untitled feels far more macro and about the black community/issues to me. It’s less about Nas and more about how he views the community, whereas TPAB is more about Kendrick basically. And I’d say TPAB is the superior album to me, and I think most people would agree with that.

I’m not sure there’s a song on Untitled that matters in any way - either something that became a staple of Nas’ live show, got good radio play, is a classic or great Nas track, etc. That and HHID just feel like albums that disappear in the catalog when you look at it ten plus years later and see how things went.
I disagree with TPAB. Honestly most Kendrick fans I know in real life don’t like that album like that. That album was released the day my son was born. I was in the hospital with my wife while they were sleeping and I tuned directly in cause I was excited to hear it. Listened. shyt sounded mid. Then I called my boy(who was a Kendrick stan at the time) and asked him what he thought of the album. We proceeded to have an hour conversation about how the shyt wasn’t hittin like that. I go online. And people are calling it the greatest album of all time and all kinda ridiculous shyt. I never seen such an opposite reaction from real life and the internet before that album released.
 

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Nas drops a banger....
Everyone: This is fire
The Coli: Lets discuss why Nastradamus was a bad album

:russ:
See but the thing is, I'm a huge Nas fan but some of his stans try to rewrite the narrative and act like certain albums that were just okay were actually hitting.
 

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See but the thing is, I'm a huge Nas fan but some of his stans try to rewrite the narrative and act like certain albums that were just okay were actually hitting.
No one said Nastradamus was hitting. nikkas just gave their opinion on the album from a personal point of view and nikkas got butthurt over it like they SUPPOSED to hate it or something.
 

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Blacker The Berry is harder than everything on Untitled. I actually don’t think the albums are similar or comparable though. TPAB is a far more personal album that has been labeled blackity black by white reviewers. Sure it’s a very black album but even the people who worked on it feel it was more about Kendrick’s personal experiences, going to South Africa and coming back to Compton. The overall “blackness” is moreso in the sound. Going all the way left with jazz and funk on your follow up to your major label debut.

Untitled feels far more macro and about the black community/issues to me. It’s less about Nas and more about how he views the community, whereas TPAB is more about Kendrick basically. And I’d say TPAB is the superior album to me, and I think most people would agree with that.

I’m not sure there’s a song on Untitled that matters in any way - either something that became a staple of Nas’ live show, got good radio play, is a classic or great Nas track, etc. That and HHID just feel like albums that disappear in the catalog when you look at it ten plus years later and see how things went.

It doesn’t matter because it got undersold by the media and even Nas fans, but a song like Breathe for example was incredibly poignant last year with the George Floyd incident for example, it’s just that it goes under the radar, what Nas was talking about in 08 is still relevant today but it takes a rapper in favor with the media and mainstream America for it to get the respect it deserves.

Breathe America Testify Fried Chicken are great relevant tracks in any era of black history, it’s funny because it seems that people need a white cac media to tell them what poignant black political rap is which is funny in itself.
 

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It doesn’t matter because it got undersold by the media and even Nas fans, but a song like Breathe for example was incredibly poignant last year with the George Floyd incident for example, it’s just that it goes under the radar, what Nas was talking about in 08 is still relevant today but it takes a rapper in favor with the media and mainstream America for it to get the respect it deserves.
Black President mattered. Sly Fox STILL matters. There’s a bunch of joints on there that still ring today.
 

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It doesn’t matter because it got undersold by the media and even Nas fans, but a song like Breathe for example was incredibly poignant last year with the George Floyd incident for example, it’s just that it goes under the radar, what Nas was talking about in 08 is still relevant today but it takes a rapper in favor with the media and mainstream America for it to get the respect it deserves.

Breathe America Testify Fried Chicken are great relevant tracks in any era of black history, it’s funny because it seems that people need a white cac media to tell them what poignant black political rap is which is funny in itself.


Yup, mad songs on Untitled are very relevant in todays climate but it went under the radar because Nas made that album before being "woke" became the trendy thing to do in the years that followed the album
 

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See but the thing is, I'm a huge Nas fan but some of his stans try to rewrite the narrative and act like certain albums that were just okay were actually hitting.
But narrative is just that a narrative.
And anybody get run with a narrative regardless if accuracy.

And with Nastradamus a narrative was promoted with Takover and people online got carried away years later

The real revision that guy and you claimed just that people are saying Nastradamas is a perfect album. No.

But I and others found worthwhile songs on there at time of release and after

There was production from all-time greats Havoc and Dame Grease to Timbaland
The album production list involvement from all-time producers in Rap just doesn't equal the narrative y'all let Vlad bleach y'all sdome with.


Low-key should be ashamed of y'all selves imo.

Just like y'all on here and don't make re up the truly disgraceful "Nas Lost" era that y'all and the media / bloggers participated in the blog era.

Matter fact I might do a thread on it calling it out.

Y'all might wanna go back and delete y'all post before y'all get exposed
 
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