Myers Briggs personality test

[Hawaiian Punch]

INTJ

 

[88m3]

I'm a boss.

 

[...o3]

...this test has blown me the hell away.

i changed careers then took the test. imma ISFP-A

i just found out Michael Jackson, Janet Jackson, Beyonce, Janelle Monae, and the GOD Prince are all ISFP types. google might be lying about the names...and im ok with that.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

No, it has next to no validity.

Myers–Briggs Type Indicator - Wikipedia

Anyone know one that is well regarded and credible?

This. Test is bullshyt and has never been connected to any actual insights.

So while this has many criticisms, it is used in numerous fields and workplaces so lets just assume it's somewhat accurate generally

lol, that's like saying that horoscopes must work because everyone uses them.

All sorts of scientifically discredited shyt (lie detectors, feng shui, homeopathy, hypnosis) is more widely used than it should be. I mean come on, how many different police departments have tried to bring in psychics to solve cases before?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

...this test has blown me the hell away.

i changed careers then took the test. imma ISFP-A

i just found out Michael Jackson, Janet Jackson, Beyonce, Janelle Monae, and the GOD Prince are all ISFP types. google might be lying about the names...and im ok with that.

Barnum effect - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Barnum effect, also called the Forer effect or, less commonly, the Barnum–Forer effect, is a common psychological phenomenon whereby individuals give high accuracy ratings to descriptions of their personality that supposedly are tailored specifically to them, yet which are in fact vague and general enough to apply to a wide range of people.[1] This effect can provide a partial explanation for the widespread acceptance of some paranormal beliefs and practices, such as astrology, fortune telling, aura reading, and some types of personality tests.[1]



For an example, I grabbed the very first link that comes up on Google when I type in "ISFP"

An Adventurer (ISFP) is a person with the Introverted, Observant, Feeling, and Prospecting personality traits. They tend to have open minds, approaching life, new experiences, and people with grounded warmth. Their ability to stay in the moment helps them uncover exciting potentials.

Adventurers are true artists – although not necessarily in the conventional sense. For this personality type, life itself is a canvas for self-expression. From what they wear to how they spend their free time, Adventurers act in ways that vividly reflect who they are as unique individuals.

And every Adventurer is certainly unique. Driven by curiosity and eager to try new things, people with this personality often have a fascinating array of passions and interests. With their exploratory spirits and their ability to find joy in everyday life, Adventurers can be among the most interesting people you’ll ever meet. The only irony? Unassuming and humble, Adventurers tend to see themselves as “just doing their own thing,” so they may not even realize how remarkable they really are.

That can apply to literally anyone. Nearly everyone wants to be known as "adventurous" or "open minded" or "unique". What does it even mean to say, "True artists but not necessarily in the conventional sense"? Or "Among the most interesting people you'll ever meet, but may not even realize how remarkable they really are"? Those could plausibly be applied to anybody.



Show me which personality on the test is described as "close-minded", "not unique", "uninteresting" and "unremarkable".

 

[...o3]

Barnum effect - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Barnum effect, also called the Forer effect or, less commonly, the Barnum–Forer effect, is a common psychological phenomenon whereby individuals give high accuracy ratings to descriptions of their personality that supposedly are tailored specifically to them, yet which are in fact vague and general enough to apply to a wide range of people.[1] This effect can provide a partial explanation for the widespread acceptance of some paranormal beliefs and practices, such as astrology, fortune telling, aura reading, and some types of personality tests.[1]



For an example, I grabbed the very first link that comes up on Google when I type in "ISFP"




That can apply to literally anyone. Nearly everyone wants to be known as "adventurous" or "open minded" or "unique". What does it even mean to say, "True artists but not necessarily in the conventional sense"? Or "Among the most interesting people you'll ever meet, but may not even realize how remarkable they really are"? Those could plausibly be applied to anybody.



Show me which personality on the test is described as "close-minded", "not unique", "uninteresting" and "unremarkable".

....bird babble

 

[Professor Emeritus]

....bird babble

I hope you see the unintentional irony.


(not because of anything you've said, but because of the Myers-Briggs descriptions themselves)

 

[...o3]

...Rhakin, why are you in here giving the homies a hard time?

believe what you want about the M-B descriptions. i just took the types and looked into some corresponding careers and it shook me to my core.

in short, it just confirmed that i should have followed my passion out of highschool.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

...Rhakin, why are you in here giving the homies a hard time?

believe what you want about the M-B descriptions. i just took the types and looked into some corresponding careers and it shook me to my core.

in short, it just confirmed that i should have followed my passion out of highschool.

Because I think it would be messed up if people started making major life decisions based on discredited personality tests that serve no function other than to promote the test.


Looking up career types for ISFP, the first link I open shows:

Fashion Designer Interior Designer Cosmetologist Artist Landscape Architect Jeweler Carpenter Chef Tailor Graphic Designer Mechanic Forester Surveyor Gardener Florist

Nurse Massage Therapist Occupational Therapist Veterinary Assistant Dental Hygienist Physical Therapist Fitness Trainer Optician ER Physician Physician Assistant Dietitian Pharmacist Office Manager Paralegal Insurance Appraiser

Botanist Geologist Preschool Teacher Social Worker Translator Special Education Teacher Teacher's Aide Air Traffic Controller Police Officer Firefighter Residential Counselor Animal Trainer Retail Manager Recreation Worker Bookkeeper

That's 45 different careers breh. There's something for everyone to connect to. And that's intentional.



How about the next site I try?

• Air Traffic Controller
• Archaeologist
• Artist
• Art Therapist
• Bookkeeper
• Cartoonist or Animator
• Chef
• Coach (High School, College)
• Dancer
• Dental Hygienist
• Assistant
• Dietitian/Nutritionist
• Exercise Physiologist
• Fashion Designer
• Filmmaker
• Firefighter
• Fish and Game Warden
• Forester
• Insurance Appraiser/Examiner
• Insurance Fraud Investigator
• Interior Designer
• Jeweler
• Landscape Architect
• Legal Secretary
• Librarian
• Marine Biologist
• Medical Technician
• Museum Curator
• Musician
• Nurse
• Occupational Therapist
• Optician
• Optometrist
• Painter
• Paralegal
• Pediatrician
• Personal Fitness Trainer
• Pharmacist
• Physical Therapist
• Physician
• Pilot
• Psychologist
• Public Relations Specialist
• Recreation Worker
• Recreational Therapist
• School Administrator
• Social Worker
• Speech-Language Pathologist
• Surgeon
• Surgical Technologist
• Surveyor
• Systems Analyst
• Teacher (High School)
• Teacher (Preschool)
• Teacher (Special Education)
• Television Camera Operator
• Translator/Interpreter
• Veterinarian
• Zoologist

That's even worse. They listed damn near 60 different careers. How the fukk are you going to claim that a surgeon, a preschool teacher, a cartoonist, a personal fitness trainer, and a fish and game warden are all the same personality? They're throwing so much shyt against the wall there.



Or another one:

Sciences & health​

• Psychologist
• Occupational therapist
• Social worker
• Physical therapist
• Speech therapist
• Conservationist
• Environmental scientist
• Counselor
• Music or art therapist

Creative arts​

• Musician
• Artist
• Sculptor
• Interior designer
• Writer
• Composer
• Photographer
• Fashion designer
• Horticulturist
• Conductor

Business​

• Equality, diversity, and inclusion lead
• Startup founder/entrepreneur
• Learning and development consultant
• Freelancer
• Marketing manager
• Architect

Information technology​

• Web designer
• Video game designer
• Graphic designer
• Coder

Education, philosophy, academia, and law​

• Teacher
• Philosopher
• Academic researcher

Miscellaneous​

• Activist
• Charity campaigner
• Influencer
• Chef
• Museum or art exhibition curator
• Massage therapist
• Yoga instructor

Gave about 40 different options and now we're throwing in broad-ass shyt like "entrepreneur", "activist", "influencer", "researcher"....pretty soon we're going to have fukking everybody who would ever take a personality test.



Let's take a fourth site:

"When it comes to the career world, Adventurers need more than just a job. Wealth, power, structure, advancement and security are all lesser goals to Adventurer personalities’ greatest need: creative freedom. Adventurers crave a tangible outlet for their imagination, a chance to express themselves artistically."


How the fukk is that supposed to describe an Air Traffic Controller, Bookkeeper, Firefighter, Fish and Game Warden, or Pharmacist? lol

And everyone wants to claim they're not after wealth, power, structure, advancement, and security, but that's exactly what most people choose in their careers and I'm sure ISFP's are no different. They like the test results because they like to believe that they're different from everyone else....just like everyone else. That's what all this is doing, it's just helping people activate their confirmation bias so they feel they got something out of it.

 

[re'up]

As much as I dislike saying it, there is probably something to horoscopes, and MB too. Not everything, but something. I have seen all the criticisms, and some reminds me of like scientific academic studies that you read contrasting sides of, and still walk away not knowing exactly what is true and what is not, I think the truth is in degrees.

The idea that everyone sees what they want, or sees aspirational, is right also. People of course do that. I would say that reading about it, and taking it in, is not harmful, but making life decisions on ANYTHING based in horoscope or MB is a bad decision.

I would say that the more narrow you go, the less accurate it gets, but the more generalized, it's more accurate. Again, in degrees. I line up pretty close with INTJ, now, could I contrast that with another one, and see some similarities? Sure. Does post self identifying as one or the other lead to nothing but confirmation bias? Probably.

I think the Big 5 personality is supposed to be more accurate, but again, that is also clouded in research papers and controlled studies and all that shyt.

 

[Outlaw]

Because I think it would be messed up if people started making major life decisions based on discredited personality tests that serve no function other than to promote the test.


Looking up career types for ISFP, the first link I open shows:

Fashion Designer Interior Designer Cosmetologist Artist Landscape Architect Jeweler Carpenter Chef Tailor Graphic Designer Mechanic Forester Surveyor Gardener Florist

Nurse Massage Therapist Occupational Therapist Veterinary Assistant Dental Hygienist Physical Therapist Fitness Trainer Optician ER Physician Physician Assistant Dietitian Pharmacist Office Manager Paralegal Insurance Appraiser

Botanist Geologist Preschool Teacher Social Worker Translator Special Education Teacher Teacher's Aide Air Traffic Controller Police Officer Firefighter Residential Counselor Animal Trainer Retail Manager Recreation Worker Bookkeeper

That's 45 different careers breh. There's something for everyone to connect to. And that's intentional.



How about the next site I try?

• Air Traffic Controller
• Archaeologist
• Artist
• Art Therapist
• Bookkeeper
• Cartoonist or Animator
• Chef
• Coach (High School, College)
• Dancer
• Dental Hygienist
• Assistant
• Dietitian/Nutritionist
• Exercise Physiologist
• Fashion Designer
• Filmmaker
• Firefighter
• Fish and Game Warden
• Forester
• Insurance Appraiser/Examiner
• Insurance Fraud Investigator
• Interior Designer
• Jeweler
• Landscape Architect
• Legal Secretary
• Librarian
• Marine Biologist
• Medical Technician
• Museum Curator
• Musician
• Nurse
• Occupational Therapist
• Optician
• Optometrist
• Painter
• Paralegal
• Pediatrician
• Personal Fitness Trainer
• Pharmacist
• Physical Therapist
• Physician
• Pilot
• Psychologist
• Public Relations Specialist
• Recreation Worker
• Recreational Therapist
• School Administrator
• Social Worker
• Speech-Language Pathologist
• Surgeon
• Surgical Technologist
• Surveyor
• Systems Analyst
• Teacher (High School)
• Teacher (Preschool)
• Teacher (Special Education)
• Television Camera Operator
• Translator/Interpreter
• Veterinarian
• Zoologist

That's even worse. They listed damn near 60 different careers. How the fukk are you going to claim that a surgeon, a preschool teacher, a cartoonist, a personal fitness trainer, and a fish and game warden are all the same personality? They're throwing so much shyt against the wall there.



Or another one:

Sciences & health​

• Psychologist
• Occupational therapist
• Social worker
• Physical therapist
• Speech therapist
• Conservationist
• Environmental scientist
• Counselor
• Music or art therapist

Creative arts​

• Musician
• Artist
• Sculptor
• Interior designer
• Writer
• Composer
• Photographer
• Fashion designer
• Horticulturist
• Conductor

Business​

• Equality, diversity, and inclusion lead
• Startup founder/entrepreneur
• Learning and development consultant
• Freelancer
• Marketing manager
• Architect

Information technology​

• Web designer
• Video game designer
• Graphic designer
• Coder

Education, philosophy, academia, and law​

• Teacher
• Philosopher
• Academic researcher

Miscellaneous​

• Activist
• Charity campaigner
• Influencer
• Chef
• Museum or art exhibition curator
• Massage therapist
• Yoga instructor

Gave about 40 different options and now we're throwing in broad-ass shyt like "entrepreneur", "activist", "influencer", "researcher"....pretty soon we're going to have fukking everybody who would ever take a personality test.



Let's take a fourth site:

"When it comes to the career world, Adventurers need more than just a job. Wealth, power, structure, advancement and security are all lesser goals to Adventurer personalities’ greatest need: creative freedom. Adventurers crave a tangible outlet for their imagination, a chance to express themselves artistically."


How the fukk is that supposed to describe an Air Traffic Controller, Bookkeeper, Firefighter, Fish and Game Warden, or Pharmacist? lol

And everyone wants to claim they're not after wealth, power, structure, advancement, and security, but that's exactly what most people choose in their careers and I'm sure ISFP's are no different. They like the test results because they like to believe that they're different from everyone else....just like everyone else. That's what all this is doing, it's just helping people activate their confirmation bias so they feel they got something out of it.

Off topic but I’m genuinely curious. For someone so grounded in the material world why do you believe in Christianity?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Off topic but I’m genuinely curious. For someone so grounded in the material world why do you believe in Christianity?

That's way the hell off-topic breh.


I'll just quote what I wrote in the "Do you belive in God?" thread a couple months ago.

I don't see how the space-time continuum would exist at all without being formed by something/someone that can exist outside of space and time. Why is material reality even here? Why would there even be physical dimensions or matter within which anything else can occur? Something existing outside of spacetime can naturally be eternal (by its very definition), but material reality has to be created by something and is on a time continuum that you have to trace back to somewhere.

Plus I see a lot in Jesus's teachings (the real ones from the Bible and the early Church, not the corporatized rich church distortion) have wisdom and truth beyond mere human understanding.

Growing up my mom was into church but my dad didn't believe any of it, so I grew up basically ignoring all that. Decided to start following Jesus during college while I was seeking more meaning in my life than anything I had found in the secular world.

@Rhakim great post!

Could you elaborate on the wisdom and truth beyond mere human understanding that came from the teachings of Jesus?

I haven't thought about it systematically in a long time, it would take me several days or weeks to do real justice to a full-on "Jesus" post.

But some of the things I would include in there is the understanding of what holding onto possessions does to a person and why we need to remove ourselves from that.

The understanding of what seeking power does to a person and why we need to abandon that route.

The concept of loving one's enemies and how that heals your own heart, not just helps the other person.

The self-awareness of how we are all guilty sinners and thus have no position to judge another eternally, the need to focus on our own errors before we try to fix others, and what that means when we think of anything from religious divisions (hatred of Samaritans) to civil penalties (stoning of adulterers).

The actual practical acts of love he showed to Samaritans, to Gentiles, to women, to tax collectors, to sinners, to prostitutes, to every kind of person his society was teaching him to despise, and the beauty of the parables he used to hit home.

Seeing the futility of "eye for an eye" and willingness to go the nonviolent route instead.

The ability to be fully embedded in the deeper truths of Judaism in terms of love of God and love of neighbor and all the aspects of positive community and even religious ritual together, yet being able to parse that away from the food laws and sabbath laws and cleanliness laws and animal sacrifices and religiously imposed ethnic divisions that were only getting in the way and making people more separated from each other and from God.

The power of the parables - especially The Good Samaritan, The Prodigal Son, The Rich Man and Lazarus, The Sheep and the Goats. These aren't just famous because Christianity is a major world religion, I think if they were completely independent stories not connected to any particular person or religion, they still would be famous today because the message within each one is so powerful, and so counterintuitive to the way the world wants us to work.

Even the willingness to accept persecution and the knowledge that the faith grows greater and more legitimately and even spreads with more force and power from enduring persecution rather than from participating in it.


I'm sure there's more but that's what came to mind immediately. And not that I'm perfect at following all that (worse than usual recently), but how clear it is to me that I'm better off when I do.


On top of that, just how incredibly on-point his parables and sayings are, how powerful, how tightly worded, how revolutionary on so many different levels....and this is all coming from one young nobody of common background? We're not talking about Plato, an aristocrat who was educated at the feet of the most famous philosopher in Athens. We're not talking about Buddha, born into a royal family with access to the best of everything and then spending years in meditation to digest and reformulate it all. And I think Jesus's teaching stands up quite favorably to either of theirs, or anyone else's. We're talking just some random guy from a random background, still relatively young, who told us how to be human with more precision, humility, and wisdom than any educated or powerful man ever had. That feels God-given to me.