My wife's cousin is slowly dragging her into this conspiracy shyt

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My mom and a few aunts believe in this shyt :francis:. I go home less and less because of it.

Been trying to tell them why something is wrong but you cant convince them with logic. Honestly we should start our own conspiracy theory to counter theirs
 
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Srsly? You sound remedial.

9/11: New York, WTC complex buildings one, two, seven and Westfield Hotel demolished in terror attack. Silverstein and Westfield pocketed $4.5 Billion from 9/11.



21 Sept 05: Westfield Mall, Perth,Australia: bomb scare.



17 May 06: Westfield, Woden,Australia: bomb scare



21 July 07: Court house adjacent Westfield Centre Derby, England: bomb scare causing evacuation of Westfield premises.



01 March 08: Westfield Old Orchard Mall, Skokie, Illinois: bomb scare.



20 April 09: Westfield Hotel Annapolis: bomb scare during Americas next top model competition.


Westfield also owned substantial holdings in Marriot hotels which also owned the Ritz-Carlton chain.

Look up the Jakarta 2003 Marriott and Islamabad 2008 bombings.

For a decade and a half his properties were involved in false flags and false alarms! What the ACTUAL eff, my dude !?

Don't go back and forth with these dudes ...they deny deny deny everything you put forth. Silverstein slipped up saying he had wanted to create a new design for WTC buildings in 2000 and had everything ready to go for construction in 2000.

The asbestos problem in WTC buildings was the reason many insurance companies didn't want to pay. It's been a battle since the 70s to cover the lawsuits of people from this buildings.
 
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My mom and a few aunts believe in this shyt :francis:. I go home less and less because of it.

Been trying to tell them why something is wrong but you cant convince them with logic. Honestly we should start our own conspiracy theory to counter theirs

Your problem with your family sounds like there is more to it.
 

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Sure.

The Stradford Family for example. The earliest members were African royals (this is documented). They were captured, sold, and enslaved to America and within a few generations C. Francis Stradford founded Stradford Bank and the Stradford Hotel to become a Tulsa Black Wall Street millionaire. Whites rioted, burned his businesses down, stole his assets, tried to kill him, however, he narrowly escaped to Chicago with nothing and within two generations, his grandson John W. Rogers is one of the wealthiest black men in America being the founder and chairman of Ariel Investments.

Other quick examples were Olaudah Equiano, a slave that rose to prominence, later for it to be found out that he came from African royalty.

It turns out that a lot of early African American mighty men and men of renown were men of esteem or royals back on the continent that got captured by warring tribes and sold to Europeans or were stolen outright.

Compound that with another perspective-

Many colonial slave-owning families were American branches of English and French aristocracy. The black families that quickly rose to the top of the black community after emancipation were negro offshoots of these slave-owning families via placage or rape. It’s the idea that these families thrived, not only because they may or may not have received inheritances from their white slaver fathers, but also because they inherited white (and maybe even black) aristocratic genetics.

Whats even crazier to think about is the fact that Europe has been ruled by the same family for hundreds of years. Essentially all of the royal European houses are related to each other through Hapsburg blood (the main branch having died off because of rampant incest.)

There are many examples but it’s the idea that people with the best genetics rises to the top. You put someone who was bred to have good genes and good intelligence in any environment and they will eventually dominate that environment.

It’s the reason why the English held onto their rigid class system for so long because of a belief of some individuals having better genes than others.

I’m always struck at how some blacks hit the ground running right out of slavery, and, here we are, many generations removed from slavery and some black people are still struggling (systemic oppression notwithstanding, the systemic conditions to oppress blacks were more harsh and pronounced right out of slavery than they are now). Even if you remove the inheritance factor of some of these families, many more early black families had nothing on paper and was able to rise very quickly during these early years, and yet, many of us are still struggling.

Most people also claim that black America would be wealthy if our black towns and commerce centers were not destroyed by whites. Yet you have people like the Stradfords, who were in the center of it all, stripped of everything, has since rebounded and reclaimed their family’s wealth and renown, while currently, we have blacks struggling talking about “shoulda, coulda, wouldas” and that if we had maintained our black wall streets, we would be good, not knowing that the “black wall streeters“ got their “black wall streets” back and passed us right on up, again.

I don’t know. There is a lot of evidence that point in the direction. I’m not saying that I’m entirely convinced that it’s all genetics but if we can breed animals to enhance certain genetic traits, there is the possibility that we can do the same with humans. And some humans been knew this and have been doing it for years giving themselves a competitive advantage.

Edit: I should have included, the Stradfords are cousins to Lady Kofo Ademola, the first black woman to graduate from Oxford and noted educator. Again, her family is very distinguished and of Egba royal blood. Her family and the Stradfords only separated by the Trans-Atlantic Slave trade.

Kofoworola Ademola - Wikipedia
Thanks for the extensive response!

This is an interesting topic to me because I'm always interested but skeptical when it comes to the nature vs nurture thing.

The examples you bring up are telling that there might be something at play, but I'm not convinced that they illustrate well the role of genetics in success or intelligence, devoid of environmental influence.

My first doubt is statistical. Aren't these kind of stories particularly susceptible to confirmation bias? It's easy to track the royal ancestry of successful families, but is it as easy for descendants that failed to get out of the mud?
Can we legitimately establish or guess whether the proportions of unsuccessful and successful descendants are different for those royals with supposedly superior genetics vs the commoners?

And even if that was the case, it appears that chattel slavery isn't an experience stripped of social capital transfer, making it unfit to testify for the role of genetics in the success/intellect of descendants of slaves.

To what extent values, ethic and behavior carry genetically remains to be firmly established. What is sure though is that it carries very well through primary socialization. Slavery doesn't break down this transfer; it left a lot more things intact that we think, as you know. It would make sense that the "smarter" individuals or those with higher social rankings would use their heritage as leverage to gain access to more than the rest of the slaves and transmit that to their children.

After all, we have numerous examples of slaves that were already high on the social echelon receiving benefits because of that and/or their abilities.

Abdulrahman Ibrahim Ibn Sori for instance, who already started with a huge intellectual and social capital
He was learned in the Islamic sciences and could speak at least 4 different African languages, in addition to Arabic and English, and in 1781, after returning from study in the renowned city of learning-Timbuktu, Abd'r-Rahman joined the armies of his father."[4] At age 26, he was made an Emir of one of the regiments that conquered the lands of the Bambara and in 1788 his father "made him the head of a 2000 men army whose mission was to protect the coast and strengthen their economic interest in the region
and used it to get himself ahead
By using his knowledge of growing cotton in Futa Jallon, Abdul-Rahman rose to a position of authority on the plantation and became the de facto foreman. This granted him the opportunity to grow his own vegetable garden and sell at the local market. During this time, he met an old acquaintance, Dr. John Cox, an Irish surgeon who had served on an English ship, and had become the first white man to reach Timbo after being abandoned by his ship and then falling ill. Cox stayed ashore for six months and was taken in by Abdul-Rahman's family, where he was tasked to teach Abdul-Rahman English.

So even though they went through slavery as everybody else, enslaved African of royal heritage didn't have the same experience as any other peer. The benefits they gained for themselves, but also, their work ethic, behavior, streets smarts, would get transferred to their children through primary socialization and education without even starting to consider genes, even in the context of slavery.

And that's not even considering the element of epigenetics which adds another layer of intricacy between the nature and nurture concepts. I think that the nature argument in and of itself resembles a self-fulfilling prophecy. Like how Robert Sternberg says
if college acceptance was based not on test scores and high school grades, but instead solely on height, “and you had to be 7’1 to get into Harvard.” If this were the case, only tall people would have access to education, “and in 30 years we’d all say the key to intelligence and success was being tall.”
 

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Srsly? You sound remedial.

9/11: New York, WTC complex buildings one, two, seven and Westfield Hotel demolished in terror attack. Silverstein and Westfield pocketed $4.5 Billion from 9/11.
They didn't "pocket $4.5 billion" dumbfukk, it cost $3.2 billion for the lease in the first place and another $9 billion to rebuild not to mention over a decade of lost revenue from the building so they LOST billions of dollars from the destruction.

And it was a big coalition of groups who were involved in the buy, Westfield was only a 4% partner in the deal. They were barely relevant - and again, they lost what would have been their flagship mall and over a decade of revenue from it.

You can't even get these basic facts straight.




21 Sept 05: Westfield Mall, Perth,Australia: bomb scare.



17 May 06: Westfield, Woden,Australia: bomb scare



21 July 07: Court house adjacent Westfield Centre Derby, England: bomb scare causing evacuation of Westfield premises.



01 March 08: Westfield Old Orchard Mall, Skokie, Illinois: bomb scare.



20 April 09: Westfield Hotel Annapolis: bomb scare during Americas next top model competition.

My fukking high school had 4 bomb scares in 4 years and you're making a big deal of an international mall chain with 100s of malls across the world having 5 bomb scares in a decade. :mjlol::mjlol::mjlol:

Answer my question already - WHY THE fukk WOULD THE CHAIN'S OWNER HAVE TO BE IN ON A BOMB SCARE? :gucci:

To make a bomb scare you literally just make a phone call. If you want to be extra with it, you make a video. But you don't need the owner's fukking permission, you can do that to any mall you want. Of course one of the biggest mall chains in the world would have it happen occasionally. But how the fukk does the owner benefit? You haven't explained that at all.

Y'all make up the dumbest fukking conspiracies when you can't even find a point to your own "conspiracy". :francis:





Westfield also owned substantial holdings in Marriot hotels which also owned the Ritz-Carlton chain.

Look up the Jakarta 2003 Marriott and Islamabad 2008 bombings.

For a decade and a half his properties were involved in false flags and false alarms! What the ACTUAL eff, my dude !?
I'm virtually certain that Westfield didn't own the Marriotts in Jakarta in 2003 or Islamabaad 2008. You're just blatantly making shyt up. Nor does Westfield have any control or meaningful ownership over Marriott overall.
 
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Breh thinks that Islamic terrorists in 4 different continents across the world are taking orders from an Australian guy who owns a chain of malls.

Did that guy control the 100s of other terrorist attacks those same groups committed, or just the 1 in 100 that targeted his property? :heh:

And no one has yet explained WHAT Lowy gains from the 2 attacks (just 2) other than losing revenue. :mindblown:
 

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Don't go back and forth with these dudes ...they deny deny deny everything you put forth. Silverstein slipped up saying he had wanted to create a new design for WTC buildings in 2000 and had everything ready to go for construction in 2000.

The asbestos problem in WTC buildings was the reason many insurance companies didn't want to pay. It's been a battle since the 70s to cover the lawsuits of people from this buildings.

Thanks for the reminder! I told someone the same thing on another thread. Funny thing is I'd sworn to ignore agent/remedial/troll posts of this sort in 2021.
 
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Thanks for the reminder! I told someone the same thing on another thread. Funny thing is I'd sworn to ignore agent/remedial/troll posts of this sort in 2021.

It's all good ...it doesn't cease to amaze me that pretend to want to debate the issue but always use selective exposure and at least have 15 of the 25 disinformation tropes online.
 
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