My recent encounters with MLM pyramid scams: WAKEUPNOW, VISALUS, 5LINX and LIMU

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Got caught up with ACN and spent $500 to join cuz my homeboy kept persisting me about the shyt... After a whole month of him begging I finally did it. shyt was stupid and I ain't make no money. Neither did he but he sure did keep giving them his money. Every meeting and conference they make members pay a fee. I'm like how does this nikka not see that this is how the company makes their money? It takes $500 to sign on, and you have to pay to go to these extra training sessions and meetings, etc. Only reason that $500 ain't hurt me then was cuz I just got my tax refund and swore I was investing in something great. Never again tho. I cut that nikka off. Now he's selling street vitamins and juices and shyt. I swear to god that nikka just refuses to get a job.
 

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Got caught up with ACN and spent $500 to join cuz my homeboy kept persisting me about the shyt... After a whole month of him begging I finally did it. shyt was stupid and I ain't make no money. Neither did he but he sure did keep giving them his money. Every meeting and conference they make members pay a fee. I'm like how does this nikka not see that this is how the company makes their money? It takes $500 to sign on, and you have to pay to go to these extra training sessions and meetings, etc. Only reason that $500 ain't hurt me then was cuz I just got my tax refund and swore I was investing in something great. Never again tho. I cut that nikka off. Now he's selling street vitamins and juices and shyt. I swear to god that nikka just refuses to get a job.


Doing network marketing will alienate you from friends and family. I bet you couldn't be around dude without him talking about how much money he was gonna make.
 

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Doing network marketing will alienate you from friends and family. I bet you couldn't be around dude without him talking about how much money he was gonna make.

A part of me really wants to fukk that nikka up. Til this day. Mainly because I kinda surrendered to his constant constant persistence. I feel like I gave in and went against my morals and common sense, you know? Like I KNEW this was some bullshyt and made no real sense but yet and still I did it. I gave them $500 of my hard earned money and got nothing in return. And yes, all he talked about was money and business... except for one thing, he had NEITHER! In fact i was doing way better than him working at my regular "9 to 5" with my own car and apartment to prove it. I admired his passion but he needs to put that passion in the right place. He was better off making an E Trade account and getting into investing and stocks. The $500 ain't hurt me as much as the feeling of being hoodwinked did. Like I should've known better and I did know better, but I still made that dumb ass mistake. I swear I hate sales reps and every time one steps to me I'm ready to fight or cuss they ass out. Can't nobody sell me shyt.
 
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Dope azz jacket he got on in the video. :leon:


On the real, the top people in any pyramid gets the bread. There is money to be made; however, you have to alienate a lot of people to get there. It's like you have to con people and you have to be very good at it. Now some of these network marketing group are trying to get you purchase a product but that's not where the real money come in at. That's the catch to these companies.

Have you heard of Ignite? Its a network marketing company that hides behind Stream Energy. Stream provides electricity and natural gas throughout some states. You can join Ignite and sign up 200 customers, you're gonna get a little $50.00 to $100.00 check but the real money is when you get people to sign up with Ignite. Meaning pay about $330.00 start up money (YOUR OWN BUSINESS BS) and pay about $30.00 a month for your website. They put you on an extreme incentive deal. If you get 1 person to sign up with Ignite and 3 people to switch over to Stream Energy to sign up in 24 hours, you get whatever they offer. See that's the model of a pyramid. You get three people to sign up under you, and they each get three people to sign up under them, and so on, so on. These companies give away crumbs to not be technically called a pyramid.

and that sounds like horseshyt as well.
 

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Got caught up with ACN and spent $500 to join cuz my homeboy kept persisting me about the shyt... After a whole month of him begging I finally did it. shyt was stupid and I ain't make no money. Neither did he but he sure did keep giving them his money. Every meeting and conference they make members pay a fee. I'm like how does this nikka not see that this is how the company makes their money? It takes $500 to sign on, and you have to pay to go to these extra training sessions and meetings, etc. Only reason that $500 ain't hurt me then was cuz I just got my tax refund and swore I was investing in something great. Never again tho. I cut that nikka off. Now he's selling street vitamins and juices and shyt. I swear to god that nikka just refuses to get a job.

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I just posted on facebook about thsose filthy liars and how much money they make. My nephew was on that shyt for a minute and after I told him how stupid it was he stopped asking. He hasn't mentioned it to anyone else since.
 

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A part of me really wants to fukk that nikka up. Til this day. Mainly because I kinda surrendered to his constant constant persistence. I feel like I gave in and went against my morals and common sense, you know? Like I KNEW this was some bullshyt and made no real sense but yet and still I did it. I gave them $500 of my hard earned money and got nothing in return. And yes, all he talked about was money and business... except for one thing, he had NEITHER! In fact i was doing way better than him working at my regular "9 to 5" with my own car and apartment to prove it. I admired his passion but he needs to put that passion in the right place. He was better off making an E Trade account and getting into investing and stocks. The $500 ain't hurt me as much as the feeling of being hoodwinked did. Like I should've known better and I did know better, but I still made that dumb ass mistake. I swear I hate sales reps and every time one steps to me I'm ready to fight or cuss they ass out. Can't nobody sell me shyt.


Totally understand. I actually got involved with network marketing knowing what it was really about. The dude that got me involved was a coworker. He make good money off of it. But he was telling me the hidden truths about that the network marketing business. You have to know what you're talking about, you speak with confidence, and you have to be in character mode. I can barely stand talking to him anymore now without him talking about making money. I luv his passion but damn bro I just wanna have a normal conversation.

I remember going to a seminar or whatever they call it, oh, yea business meeting :skip:, it literally felt like I was in a cult. I was sitting their like, this shyt don't even make sense. :heh: The black business meetings are extra hilarious. For a minute I thought I was in church. People in there yelling, preach and amen.
 

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Got caught up with ACN and spent $500 to join cuz my homeboy kept persisting me about the shyt... After a whole month of him begging I finally did it. shyt was stupid and I ain't make no money. Neither did he but he sure did keep giving them his money. Every meeting and conference they make members pay a fee. I'm like how does this nikka not see that this is how the company makes their money? It takes $500 to sign on, and you have to pay to go to these extra training sessions and meetings, etc. Only reason that $500 ain't hurt me then was cuz I just got my tax refund and swore I was investing in something great. Never again tho. I cut that nikka off. Now he's selling street vitamins and juices and shyt. I swear to god that nikka just refuses to get a job.

dude refuses to get a job, but he's working harder and making less money to sell juices and berries than most folks with a regular 9 to 5. that's hustling backwards.
 

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I just posted on facebook about thsose filthy liars and how much money they make. My nephew was on that shyt for a minute and after I told him how stupid it was he stopped asking. He hasn't mentioned it to anyone else since.

my wife has cousins on FB posting about wakeupnow. I pointed it out to her and all she did was say :snoop:

there's no such thing in this world as a guarunteed get rich quick scheme, which is why MLM's prey on the poor and uneducated.
 

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Bill Ackman Just Finished 'The Most Important Presentation' Of His Career And The Market Is Laughing At Him

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Billionaire hedge fund manager Bill Ackman just wrapped up his latest Herbalife presentation.


Ackman, who runs Pershing Square Capital, gave what he called "the most important presentation" of his career.

In shorting Herbalife to zero, he's gone as far as comparing the company to the Nazis.

But today the market laughed at him: The stock surged 15% as he spoke.

There were hundreds of folks gathered at the AXA Equitable Building in Midtown Manhattan. Even Ackman's father was in attendance. Thousands of people tuned in via a webcast.

For more than a year, Ackman has been loudly shorting Herbalife — a maker of nutrition shakes. He believes the company is a "pyramid scheme." His presentation today focused on the company's so-called nutrition clubs.

Earlier this morning, Herbalife 's CFO, John DeSimone, told CNBC that Ackman's "bark is worse than his bite."

If the stock surge means anything, perhaps DeSimone was correct.

There wasn't a major bombshell in Ackman's presentation. The 250-plus slide deck was very detailed. The biggest thing was that Ackman believes the company is skirting labor laws with its nutrition clubs.

In sum, though, Ackman alleged that Herbalife had "fictitious customers" and a "fictitious business opportunity." He called Herbalife "a fraud perpetrated by Herbalife's senior management and members of its Founder's Circles, Chairman's Club and President's Team conceived, designed and executed to exploit the poor."

Ackman began the presentation by going over the backstory about Herbalife's founding. He then moved to his Herbalife "pyramid scheme" thesis.

Ackman claimed Herbalife "targets the poorest of the poor." He then shared some slides based on a document he obtained from a whistleblower.



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Pershing Square



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Pershing Square





Ackman claimed that Herbalife "seeks to exploit the extremely poor in new and existing markets."

He said that Herbalife denies it targets ethnic groups.

Ackman claims one way they do this is through the nutrition clubs.

According to Ackman, Herbalife's nutrition clubs are critical to the company's growth.

Ackman said that Pershing Square spent $50 million on investigating:

"I'm not proud of that number."

He said they investigated over 240 nutrition clubs:

"We had investigators go in and become part of that program."

First, he went over the rules of the nutrition clubs. For example, the clubs aren't allowed to attract customers – no advertisements or promotions allowed. They also can't have signage or an open-closed sign.

Ackman said that his team went over the economics of 10 nutrition clubs in Queens, New York. He concluded that they're a money-losing business. On average, he said, these clubs lose $12,000 a year before paying the owner.

"This doesn't seem to be a particularly good business model," he said.

Ackman said the real purpose of the nutrition club was to recruit members.

He said these clubs "grow like a virus" through duplication. He showed a slide comparing the number of McDonalds' and Herbalife nutrition clubs in Queens. He pointed out that while the McDonalds' are spread out, the nutrition clubs are on top of each other.

Ackman then invited Christine Richard, a former Bloomberg News reporter turned researcher who gave him the Herbalife idea, on stage. His firm's lawyer, David Klafter, also joined him on stage.

They started going over how you get certified to run a nutrition club.

In short, Ackman believes the nutrition clubs are a big fraud.

"If you look at the greatest frauds," Ackman said using Enron's phantom trading floor as an example, "what Herbalife has is they have phantom or fictitious customers."

He said the people running the clubs aren't bad people.

"It's a tragedy because they don't know they're being defrauded."

Ackman also alleged that the clubs are violating labor laws.

"Everyone's working without being paid, which is a violation of the labor laws."

It got emotional at the end when Ackman talked about the "American dream" his father and grandfather were fortunate to obtain when they came to the U.S.

"I'm a huge beneficiary of this country. Michael Johnson is a predator ... It's criminal. It's time to shut [Herbalife] down," Ackman said choking up.

"The American dream has been tarnished in a lot of different ways...but when you have a New York Stock Exchange company specifically targeting people and using the American Dream principles ... they sell the American dream. It's criminal. Unfortunately, it's taking the regulators too long."

The Ackman-Herbalife saga has been ongoing for more than a year and a half.

In late December 2012, Ackman publicly declared via a 342-slide presentation that he was shorting Herbalife – a multilevel marketing company that sells nutritional supplements and weight loss shakes.

Ackman believes the company operates as a "pyramid scheme" that targets lower income individuals. It's Ackman's contention that regulators, specifically the Federal Trade Commission, will be persuaded to shut the company down.

Shortly after, a number of fund managers, most notably Carl Icahn, piled on by going long on the stock shortly after Ackman revealed his short bet.

Icahn, who seems to have made up with Ackman more than a year after a nasty televised brawl, said last week at a conference that he hasn't sold a single share of Herbalife.

Back in March, the FTC opened an investigation into the company.

So far, Ackman has racked up millions in paper losses on his bet. He has yet to break even on his short. He's said that he will take this short to "the end of the earth."

One person in the crowd asked if Ackman was trying to goad the company into suing him, given his inflammatory language.

Ackman responded: "Bring it on."



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/bill-ackman-herbalife-presentation-2014-7#ixzz38EkWip8h

S/o to this guy for actually trying to make an effort. That money he's spending on investigating might be better spent on politicians, this shyt is fukked up
 
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