My Posse's On Broadway: Official NY Knicks 2016-2017 Season Thread
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let's be realistic
knick fans love atlanta, these cowards couldn't wait to be in a real city and see a real game in a real arena
and the only reason this game was competitive was because that fakkit hog carjello was ejected...if he played the whole game we woulda won by 25+
knick fans love atlanta, these cowards couldn't wait to be in a real city and see a real game in a real arena
and the only reason this game was competitive was because that fakkit hog carjello was ejected...if he played the whole game we woulda won by 25+
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RIP Big Dikk :wow: :mjcry:
:philjacksonlol:Thabo is a bytch, right?
:philjacksonlol::philjacksonlol:These Atlanta fags dapped you thinking that you were taking about Carmelo.
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I'm not a huge moral victory fan, I'm more into the "what did we learn and how can we apply that" school. But I think it's important to mention that the Knicks got 15 minutes from Melo before a really foolish flagrant 2 and Courtney Lee was out of the game...and the Knicks were a missed FT away from forcing double-OT. I'm not sure how much their good defense was a mental stepping up and how much it was that they ran into a struggling team, because the second Korver got going he was unstoppable from three as usual. But on a day without two starters and when nobody really took the torch to lead (properly anyway), they were competitive with one of the playoff contention squads who also happened to play the physical style that has broken the Knicks in the past. So idk, hard to be excited about another loss but at least I'm not AS down as I might have been.
Rose: 26 pts, 7 boards and 6 assists to just 2 TO's but he shot 9 for 28 might be the worst shooting line of a season where Melo has had some absolute abominations from the field. Rose went neck and neck with Schroder for a good chunk of game, but the Hawks adjusted by swinging doubles over and Rose didn't adjust by PASSING THE BALL. He's a PG...but he's not prompting guys to move off the ball when he's taking so many shots especially while doubles are coming. I had complimented him for taking advantage of the attention Melo and KP draw lately, but without Melo's gravity; Rose really fell back to the mean HARD. Nice stat-line, disappointing game.
Sasha: I hate the "don't break up the second unit" stuff being applied to this move. Sasha has chemistry with some second unit players but showed NONE with the starters. Holiday is a perfect fit for Lee and could have been moved over to Schroder before the dude discovered his jumper amid the slew of wide open looks he was given; but Holiday needed to stick to the second unit according to Hornacek. Well anyway, A for effort and D- for execution. Sasha had 2 points on 1 for 7 shooting but did contribute 5 boards in 27 minutes. The shot selection actually wasn't that bad, some late shot clock throws and wide open bricks killed him...but yuck at this one.
Melo: Melo looked poised to be a positive presence in every way for fifteen minutes. His defense was solid on a weaker opponent with the usual lazy run outs a couple of times taking it down from good to eh. He was 4-9 for 10 points with 5 boards when he picked up a really dumb foul. He hit Thabo in the face got himself ejected. Can't claim leadership qualities and do ish like that, it's indefensible. The team NEEDED some good vibes and a win, instead they took an L in his absence.
KP: Some good and bad from KP in this one. He only shot 7-17 from the field but did hit 4-8 3's. He scored 24 points, grabbed 8 boards and blocked 3 shots but also had 5 turnovers. He also got the FT line 9 times but missed 3 including one that would have tied the game with seconds left on the clock. Actual play wise, I liked that he didn't back down from Dwight after a dirty play and I like that he kept attacking. I was disappointed again, that he got guard switches and never used a power move but this feels like an issue that needs an offseason to fix. His defense was impressive though and he had some real flashes offensively. Still, it's games like this that make "Melo is holding KP back" seem a bit ridiculous. Melo relieves some pressure and makes it easier for KP, the efficiency splits oughtta support this (I know they did earlier on).
Noah: Hey maybe he's found something. This three games in a row where he plays well and has a positive impact, the brightspot on the night. Noah had 14 and 16 plus 3 assists, 2 steals and a block. I don't like that he played 38 minutes because I'm worried about fatigue, but I loved his game and he was needed. He put that statline up with Dwight Howard literally beating him up all game. He should have had some extra loose ball fouls drawn. Also, attacking space is continuing to work for dude, the momentum he gets has helped him add a basket or two off the dribble each night and the off ball cuts to the basket are being rewarded.
BJ: 2 pts, 3 asts and 4 boards plus a steal and block for BJ. It's pretty pedestrian in 28 minutes, mainly because BJ needs to find his jumper again. He also needs to be more assertive when Rose is out there. Rose was floundering against doubles and BJ could have alleviated that a bit but really just kept making half-assed attacks and going back to Rose or KP. He's had MUCH better games.
Holiday: Another bright spot. 14 pts, 4 asts, 3 boards on 5-12 shooting. He struggled with his three ball otherwise he'd likely be the difference in a loss and a win. This was a game where the team needed more scoring to replace Melo's presence and Holiday stepped up. He made some clutch fourth quarter baskets and he did a hell of a Courtney Lee impression. It woulda been nice to see him start...he looked good with the starters late.
Kuz: Got three minutes, didn't do anything with 'em and didn't get another chance.
Lance: Got 12 minutes, didn't do anything with 'em and played 9 minutes too many for that level of play.
Willy: Solid but forgettable 10 minutes out there. He grabbed 2 boards and had an assist, fought for boards alright and didn't really play poorly but he looked like a rookie and didn't accomplish enough to warrant much more.
KOQ: 13 minutes, 6 points, 4 boards, a steal and a block on 3-5 shooting. He's still playing well and still giving high energy in his minutes but Noah has played really well. He has to cut back on the TO's but really, he looks like a guy who will continue to produce if his minutes go up and I'd still prefer that he get 20 minutes a night to preserve Noah's legs somewhat.
Horny: So his handling of Sasha and Lance is bothering me. Sasha starting was one of those overthinking moves that a lot of coaches make the mistake of doing. Lance is living off of last season in spite of it being the end of December with no signs of improvement. Besides those two mistakes, it's tough to be mad at much else because his hands were tied between Lee and Melo out. The T he picked up on that no call in overtime felt like one he deserved to flip out about, but we lost by one so that bit us...but that's more on the refs. So not a good performance from the very start, but there's a built-in excuse from his star player and glue starter.
Random: I'm hitting AC for until New Year's so I can leave all my 2016 demons behind before the new start. So no game breakdown from me for the Pelicans game, it's up to you guys. I'll see you guys on the other side.
Rose: 26 pts, 7 boards and 6 assists to just 2 TO's but he shot 9 for 28 might be the worst shooting line of a season where Melo has had some absolute abominations from the field. Rose went neck and neck with Schroder for a good chunk of game, but the Hawks adjusted by swinging doubles over and Rose didn't adjust by PASSING THE BALL. He's a PG...but he's not prompting guys to move off the ball when he's taking so many shots especially while doubles are coming. I had complimented him for taking advantage of the attention Melo and KP draw lately, but without Melo's gravity; Rose really fell back to the mean HARD. Nice stat-line, disappointing game.
Sasha: I hate the "don't break up the second unit" stuff being applied to this move. Sasha has chemistry with some second unit players but showed NONE with the starters. Holiday is a perfect fit for Lee and could have been moved over to Schroder before the dude discovered his jumper amid the slew of wide open looks he was given; but Holiday needed to stick to the second unit according to Hornacek. Well anyway, A for effort and D- for execution. Sasha had 2 points on 1 for 7 shooting but did contribute 5 boards in 27 minutes. The shot selection actually wasn't that bad, some late shot clock throws and wide open bricks killed him...but yuck at this one.
Melo: Melo looked poised to be a positive presence in every way for fifteen minutes. His defense was solid on a weaker opponent with the usual lazy run outs a couple of times taking it down from good to eh. He was 4-9 for 10 points with 5 boards when he picked up a really dumb foul. He hit Thabo in the face got himself ejected. Can't claim leadership qualities and do ish like that, it's indefensible. The team NEEDED some good vibes and a win, instead they took an L in his absence.
KP: Some good and bad from KP in this one. He only shot 7-17 from the field but did hit 4-8 3's. He scored 24 points, grabbed 8 boards and blocked 3 shots but also had 5 turnovers. He also got the FT line 9 times but missed 3 including one that would have tied the game with seconds left on the clock. Actual play wise, I liked that he didn't back down from Dwight after a dirty play and I like that he kept attacking. I was disappointed again, that he got guard switches and never used a power move but this feels like an issue that needs an offseason to fix. His defense was impressive though and he had some real flashes offensively. Still, it's games like this that make "Melo is holding KP back" seem a bit ridiculous. Melo relieves some pressure and makes it easier for KP, the efficiency splits oughtta support this (I know they did earlier on).
Noah: Hey maybe he's found something. This three games in a row where he plays well and has a positive impact, the brightspot on the night. Noah had 14 and 16 plus 3 assists, 2 steals and a block. I don't like that he played 38 minutes because I'm worried about fatigue, but I loved his game and he was needed. He put that statline up with Dwight Howard literally beating him up all game. He should have had some extra loose ball fouls drawn. Also, attacking space is continuing to work for dude, the momentum he gets has helped him add a basket or two off the dribble each night and the off ball cuts to the basket are being rewarded.
BJ: 2 pts, 3 asts and 4 boards plus a steal and block for BJ. It's pretty pedestrian in 28 minutes, mainly because BJ needs to find his jumper again. He also needs to be more assertive when Rose is out there. Rose was floundering against doubles and BJ could have alleviated that a bit but really just kept making half-assed attacks and going back to Rose or KP. He's had MUCH better games.
Holiday: Another bright spot. 14 pts, 4 asts, 3 boards on 5-12 shooting. He struggled with his three ball otherwise he'd likely be the difference in a loss and a win. This was a game where the team needed more scoring to replace Melo's presence and Holiday stepped up. He made some clutch fourth quarter baskets and he did a hell of a Courtney Lee impression. It woulda been nice to see him start...he looked good with the starters late.
Kuz: Got three minutes, didn't do anything with 'em and didn't get another chance.
Lance: Got 12 minutes, didn't do anything with 'em and played 9 minutes too many for that level of play.
Willy: Solid but forgettable 10 minutes out there. He grabbed 2 boards and had an assist, fought for boards alright and didn't really play poorly but he looked like a rookie and didn't accomplish enough to warrant much more.
KOQ: 13 minutes, 6 points, 4 boards, a steal and a block on 3-5 shooting. He's still playing well and still giving high energy in his minutes but Noah has played really well. He has to cut back on the TO's but really, he looks like a guy who will continue to produce if his minutes go up and I'd still prefer that he get 20 minutes a night to preserve Noah's legs somewhat.
Horny: So his handling of Sasha and Lance is bothering me. Sasha starting was one of those overthinking moves that a lot of coaches make the mistake of doing. Lance is living off of last season in spite of it being the end of December with no signs of improvement. Besides those two mistakes, it's tough to be mad at much else because his hands were tied between Lee and Melo out. The T he picked up on that no call in overtime felt like one he deserved to flip out about, but we lost by one so that bit us...but that's more on the refs. So not a good performance from the very start, but there's a built-in excuse from his star player and glue starter.
Random: I'm hitting AC for until New Year's so I can leave all my 2016 demons behind before the new start. So no game breakdown from me for the Pelicans game, it's up to you guys. I'll see you guys on the other side.
OneManGang
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shyt was hilarious
Schroeder was at the line like
Haha they was in their feelings on the bench too. That can't be good for morale as a team when you don't truly have home court against another team
Last night's game is a perfect example of what I have talked about with Melo:
While I think the Knicks should entertain any and all opportunities to move him, I do not believe he is in any way "holding KP back" -- he makes the game much easier for Porzingis, just like having any talented player makes the game easier for his teammates. He draws the stronger defenders, he forces help/doubles, he stretches the defense, and he give the offense more options. I have tried to make this clear when I'm talking about the knicks, but I think last night showed why KP is not "better without melo." This team needs another scoring option as a starter.
What I HAVE argued, is that the Knicks should be focused on finding a player who fills that role - who scores, and draws the defense's attention - who is on the same timeline as KP.
But while this is the roster, there is no way to argue that Melo harms KP in any way -- there are times where he should maybe defer on a bad shooting night, or look to create more or whatever... but Porzingis BENEFITS from Melo far more than he is hurt by Melo.
It was also a perfect example of why we need to not max out rose. If you were to rank out the top 30 pg's/small guards in the NBA, Rose is a middle of the pack, low percentage shooter.
That doesn't mean that he's making the Knicks worse right now. He isn't. Melo and KP play much better with him on the floor penetrating and pushing the tempo -- but he's not a player we should be investing in, long term.
While I think the Knicks should entertain any and all opportunities to move him, I do not believe he is in any way "holding KP back" -- he makes the game much easier for Porzingis, just like having any talented player makes the game easier for his teammates. He draws the stronger defenders, he forces help/doubles, he stretches the defense, and he give the offense more options. I have tried to make this clear when I'm talking about the knicks, but I think last night showed why KP is not "better without melo." This team needs another scoring option as a starter.
What I HAVE argued, is that the Knicks should be focused on finding a player who fills that role - who scores, and draws the defense's attention - who is on the same timeline as KP.
But while this is the roster, there is no way to argue that Melo harms KP in any way -- there are times where he should maybe defer on a bad shooting night, or look to create more or whatever... but Porzingis BENEFITS from Melo far more than he is hurt by Melo.
It was also a perfect example of why we need to not max out rose. If you were to rank out the top 30 pg's/small guards in the NBA, Rose is a middle of the pack, low percentage shooter.
That doesn't mean that he's making the Knicks worse right now. He isn't. Melo and KP play much better with him on the floor penetrating and pushing the tempo -- but he's not a player we should be investing in, long term.
The War Report
NewNewYork
let's be realistic
knick fans love atlanta, these cowards couldn't wait to be in a real city and see a real game in a real arena
and the only reason this game was competitive was because that fakkit hog carjello was ejected...if he played the whole game we woulda won by 25+
The War Report
NewNewYork
Rose is a very flawed player. The Knicks sorely needed someone who can get in the paint and draw defenders in. The problem is that Rose has tunnel vision and has a tendency of forcing bad shots in traffic, when he should be looking to kick the ball out. He's terrible at setting up people up, especially the bigs. In regards to KP, I think a lot of the time he's not put in a good position to score easy baskets. He's always caught off balance and is forced to puts up shots not in rhythm. He also needs to get stronger. He's too flimsy with the ball and goes up soft to the rim. But that's just him being a young guy and in his 2nd year in the league. I would like to see him be more decisive with the ball.
Just caught myself getting moderately excited about the fact that the Knicks have a second round pick this year.
Shout out to Alpha Kaba, Justin Jackson, Boucher, Trimble, Devin Robinson, josh harts and isaiah briscoes of the world.
Shout out to Alpha Kaba, Justin Jackson, Boucher, Trimble, Devin Robinson, josh harts and isaiah briscoes of the world.
mvp_status
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Just caught myself getting moderately excited about the fact that the Knicks have a second round pick this year.
Shout out to Alpha Kaba, Justin Jackson, Boucher, Trimble, Devin Robinson, josh harts and isaiah briscoes of the world.
An Anunoby/Trimble (or Hart) draft would keep me well fed for the rest of the summer
Still December & people still talking about the f*cking draft 
