My Posse's On Broadway: Official NY Knicks 2016-2017 Season Thread

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Doesn't change the fact that most championship squads build their cores through picking high in the draft and that the Knicks got Porzingis, because they drafted high. :yeshrug: But again agree to disagree.
Drafting high in the draft is a PART of building championship teams. A part of building that the Knicks can argue they have already done with the player you keep bringing up as an example
 

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Drafting high in the draft is a PART of building championship teams. A part of building that the Knicks can argue they have already done with the player you keep bringing up as an example

Exactly, and the next step would be to add pieces around said draft pick via trades/free agent signings.
 

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Knicks should have been tanking this season, there's 5 PGs in this draft that have high ceilings :dead:

Instead they hoping for the chance to get invited to the 2017 Cleveland Invitational.
Be case scenario is that The Knicks are competitive but suck and they get in the lottery this year. :manny:
 

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Yeah I do, I have watched the Knicks mistakenly rely on free agency and past their prime veterans for the last 15+ seasons. Meanwhile with the exception of the 2 championships won by the Lebron led Heat the last 18 championships have been won by teams who built through the draft or acquired talent by way of their draft picks. I am not satisfied with just making the playoffs with no realistic chance of contention when it is ultimately at the expense of long-term success. Getting hype over wins that lead to the road of mediocrity makes no sense to me, and so I'll continue to take the #Knickstank stance until it is apparent that ownership and management are serious about rebuilding.
How many teams in past 15 years have made it to the conference championship with more than 1 player drafted #10 or higher as a real contributor?

maybe 5 or 6? in 15 years?

Golden State (Steph Curry and Harrison Barnes) 3 times, OKC (Westbrook, Harden and Durant) twice, Chicago (Noah and Rose) once, Phoenix Suns (Stoudemire and Marion) I think 3 times, Toronto (Valanciunas and DeRozan) once and Cleveland (Kyrie Irving and Tristan Thompson) twice?

10 out of 60... from 6 teams? And what about the other teams the perpetually pick in the top 10 and barely sniff the playoffs, if at all. And only 2 of those times did the team actually win the Championship.

And there were easily better players drafted later than Valanciunas, Tristan Thompson (Jimmy Butler, Isiah Thomas, Klay Thompson) and Harrison Barnes was the third best player in the entire draft... and 4th best is probably a bigger drop off.

If you can hit on 1 high draft pick, you're in good position ... then from that point it's more about taking adavantage of your other picks, wherever they are, to get solid role players... and making good use of free agency. Who drafts a star and then immediately makes moves to tank the next year?

Edit: OKC made it 4 times, not 2.
 
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How many teams in past 15 years have made it to the conference championship with more than 1 player drafted #10 or higher as a real contributor?

maybe 5 or 6? in 15 years?

Golden State (Steph Curry and Harrison Barnes) 3 times, OKC (Westbrook, Harden and Durant) twice, Chicago (Noah and Rose) once, Phoenix Suns (Stoudemire and Marion) I think 3 times, Toronto (Valanciunas and DeRozan) once and Cleveland (Kyrie Irving and Tristan Thompson) twice?

10 out of 60... from 6 teams? And what about the other teams the perpetually pick in the top 10 and barely sniff the playoffs, if at all. And only 2 of those times did the team actually win the Championship.

And there were easily better players drafted later than Valanciunas, Tristan Thompson (Jimmy Butler, Isiah Thomas, Klay Thompson) and Harrison Barnes was the third best player in the entire draft... and 4th best is probably a bigger drop off.

If you can hit on 1 high draft pick, you're in good position ... then from that point it's more about taking adavantage of your other picks, wherever they are, to get solid role players... and making good use of free agency. Who drafts a star and then immediately makes moves to tank the next year?
It's never happened. People are forgetting that the most important thing is HAVING A PICK. Regardless of where it's at, high or low. Not all players drafted high become great, plenty of players drafted low go on to do great things. See Draymond Green. Knicks just need to keep their picks in general. No more trading picks. Keep the picks and Scout well.
 

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Exactly, and the next step would be to add pieces around said draft pick via trades/free agent signings.

And draft picks, we still have draft picks. You can still draft a promising young player and develop them into something anywhere in the draft if you have reliable scouts. I trust our international scouts for damned sure.
 

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It's never happened. People are forgetting that the most important thing is HAVING A PICK. Regardless of where it's at, high or low. Not all players drafted high become great, plenty of players drafted low go on to do great things. See Draymond Green. Knicks just need to keep their picks in general. No more trading picks. Keep the picks and Scout well.

And draft picks, we still have draft picks. You can still draft a promising young player and develop them into something anywhere in the draft if you have reliable scouts. I trust our international scouts for damned sure.
Anyone care to disagree with these posts? Can we end knickstank discussions until the Knicks are no longer in playoff consideration?
 

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And draft picks, we still have draft picks. You can still draft a promising young player and develop them into something anywhere in the draft if you have reliable scouts. I trust our international scouts for damned sure.

Exactly. Tony Parker & Ginobili were late picks. Drafting in the top 10 doesn't guarantee a star. People are ignoring that fact.
 

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if u guys want to a cheer for a team that constantly loses on purpose so they can get high picks, philly is around the corner:yeshrug:

timberwolves got the 2014 and 2015 # 1 picks on their team if you wanna head out west:yeshrug:

for some reason, they are the two worst teams in the league tho:yeshrug:
 

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if u guys want to a cheer for a team that constantly loses on purpose so they can get high picks, philly is around the corner:yeshrug:

timberwolves got the 2014 and 2015 # 1 picks on their team if you wanna head out west:yeshrug:

for some reason, they are the two worst teams in the league tho:yeshrug:

That is a good point:ehh:

Except most team wouldn't waste those 3 picks on 3 centers back to back:mjlol:
 
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