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Like we were supposed to enjoy our FITZ wins last year. When all of us knew shyt was a fluke
My Posse's On Broadway: Official NY Knicks 2016-2017 Season Thread
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Like we were supposed to enjoy our FITZ wins last year. When all of us knew shyt was a fluke
ogc163
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storyteller
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This was a pretty great performance imo, defense on KAT notwithstanding. The Knicks came into an away team's building and led damn near wire to wire. The fourth quarter collapse was pretty awful and had a tinge of that old, "let's kill the clock for the next 7 minutes instead of doing what has worked all night" but I think part of that also came down to Horny waiting a little too long to put starters back in to catch their own rhythm and flow. KP was an absolute star in this game, providing everything and on a night when Melo and Rose were struggling the whole game...the bench stepped up and contributed in big ways.
Rose: I'm not gonna kill Rose too much, this is a bad match-up for him. The Wolves have two athletic bigs that can get over to him on his drives and they were both disciplined enough not to bite on his pump fakes. The problem he had last night was when he shot the lane, he wasn't mindful of creating passing lanes...not a problem on most nights, but for the reason above it really hurt his performance. To his credit, he only took 12 attempts and converted 5; to his detriment, he had 2 assists and just as many TO's. On nights against big front courts, it's more and more apparent that he NEEDS his jumper to be productive.
Lee: He looked like he was well on his way to his best game as a Knick. 7 points on 3 of 3, 3 assists and busy on the defense in 8 minutes. Unfortunately he suffered an ankle injury 8 minutes into what would have been his third consecutive game playing high level basketball after a shooting slump had many down on him. Get well soon.
Melo: 5-16, 14 points, 2 assists, 4 boards, 3 TO's...you read the statline and think "that was a Welo night" but I would disagree. He didn't isolate much at all and I'd love to go back and count the forced shots versus the ones where he had space he'd typically take advantage of by converting the jumper. He air mailed a wide open three at one point where I thought "it's mental" and his post game comments kinda reinforced that belief. This is the first I've ever seen him show low confidence in his jumper. The book ends of the game, 1st and 4th, he really only forced one shot (not counting the shot with the quarter ending). I wanna shout out his defense though. He let LaVine drive for a free dunk in the fourth, but besides that his defensive effort was really good. Outside of a couple of occasions where he left Wiggins to double KAT and paid for it, he was smart and effective. His D on KAT for a couple of stints was the most physical of the night, though he couldn't do a damned thing to keep KAT off the boards on those. It's also nice to see him getting the ball in good spots for game closers which hasn't been the case pretty much ever as a Knick; and suddenly he's converted two winners in a week.
KP: Clutch is the offensive board and put back to take the lead with a minute left. The kid is taking his star turn. 29 points on 11-20, 8 boards, 4 assists, 2 blocks (should have been more but whistles and non-credited ones lowered the tally)...an everything game. He is a scary rim protector when locked in and playing smart, his offensive arsenal isn't fair and when he's also showing comfort as a passer you're gonna see monster moments. KAT stole the spotlight somewhat, but KP made multiple plays that carried the Knicks to a win and in 20 shots you'd be hardpressed to find more than 3 forced takes. I do wish he'd get the refs love like KAT has earned, but KP has only just become this new aggressive cat while Towns has been there for a while.
KOQ: Too short for Towns and it showed, but he grabbed 8 boards in 18 and didn't force anything. Foul trouble hurt him because again, KAT was too much for him. But he gave a good effort in a diabolic match-up.
BJ: The unsung hero of this one. 12 points, 7 assists, 2 steals and 34 minutes on the floor because he had the offense rolling as long as he was the primary ball handler. He's pulling the three pointer more when he's left open and it's forcing defenders to be tight on him. He also converting jumpers more which is opening up everything. 5 of 14 looks bad, but it came with breaking down the defense and creating lanes and open looks for EVERYBODY else.
Holiday: 1-8 for 2 points...you might hate him for that. But in the closing minutes, this dude grabbed two clutch boards with giants surrounding him and both times he shook out the messed up shoulder but didn't slow down. He WORKED! His defense was damned good too. He was an intangibles guy but let's be real, dude needs to stop missing lay-ups. Gritty one from a clearly hurting player.
Kuz: Kuz hit 4 of 5 three pointers and every one of them seemed like it hurt the Wolves feelings. Kuz moved the ball well and attacked constantly. He got blocked twice but after the second one, he got the ball back and went right back up, that's a mentality MANY players don't have. Defensively his IQ is helping him get by and be a better help defender than most on the roster and it showed when he got to stay on the floor for the last defensive stand. I'm not sure where his ceiling ends at his age, but he's already showing that he can be a contributor in tight games.
Plumlee: This dude fist pumps and gets hype how Barron Trump claps at rallies (obscure joke, I'm calling it awkward)...but that's the only negative I'll gave baby arms. He was mobile and active on defense, he denied KAT off the ball to at least make dude work before putting it in the hoop. Kid fought for boards HARD, not getting the offensive board on a few but forcing situations where others grabbed the offensive board or he drew loose ball calls. He was probably our best C last night even if the stat-line isn't leaping off the page.
Sasha: Knicks needed another SG and gave us 11 quality minutes. I'm not gonna trash him for what he did, he's a limited player but knew his limits on this one (not always the case). He played decent defense, moved the ball and honestly helped the cause. I usually hate the guy, but he wasn't bad last night and I'll give him his due.
Willy: I thought he came out with the right mindset, getting physical with KAT immediately...he also immediately got whistled for his physicality and backed off at which point KAT went off on him. Offensively he was 2 for 2 in 8 mins, plus 2 FT's for 6 points. He had a really nice post move on KAT deep in the paint. But realistically, KAT ate him up and that's why he didn't see more time.
Ndour: Maybe he hustles so hard that his palms are sweaty, knees weak the ball's too heavy but until he starts catching the ball like a normal human being should...he's wasting a roster spot just because we have no other PF.
Hornacek: Your boy Hornacek busted out the Dexter killer instinct again in this one. He put his trust in the bench and let Kuz, Plumlee and Sasha when they were giving good minutes and it paid off. He let Melo sit longer in the second than normal when things were rolling; he benched Rose when dude bricked our fourth quarter momentum; and then with the game on the line he showed faith in Melo that paid off. Those are ALL decisions that could back fire and make him look foolish but he took the risks and they all hit.
Random: Thibs barking like a drill sergeant is one of my favorite things in basketball, dude is always two heartbeats per minute away from a heart attack. Seeing the minutes he gave his starters makes me wonder what woulda happened to our roster had he been here...lord knows Hornacek's moves last night made for an interesting foil.
KAT has the Melo "use my elbow to hook the defender behind me" technique down. Melo used to get away with that too, so I ain't hating, I'm impressed. Why does it feel like so many teams have a Bjelica type on their roster and they almost never impress me with their contributions?
Rose: I'm not gonna kill Rose too much, this is a bad match-up for him. The Wolves have two athletic bigs that can get over to him on his drives and they were both disciplined enough not to bite on his pump fakes. The problem he had last night was when he shot the lane, he wasn't mindful of creating passing lanes...not a problem on most nights, but for the reason above it really hurt his performance. To his credit, he only took 12 attempts and converted 5; to his detriment, he had 2 assists and just as many TO's. On nights against big front courts, it's more and more apparent that he NEEDS his jumper to be productive.
Lee: He looked like he was well on his way to his best game as a Knick. 7 points on 3 of 3, 3 assists and busy on the defense in 8 minutes. Unfortunately he suffered an ankle injury 8 minutes into what would have been his third consecutive game playing high level basketball after a shooting slump had many down on him. Get well soon.
Melo: 5-16, 14 points, 2 assists, 4 boards, 3 TO's...you read the statline and think "that was a Welo night" but I would disagree. He didn't isolate much at all and I'd love to go back and count the forced shots versus the ones where he had space he'd typically take advantage of by converting the jumper. He air mailed a wide open three at one point where I thought "it's mental" and his post game comments kinda reinforced that belief. This is the first I've ever seen him show low confidence in his jumper. The book ends of the game, 1st and 4th, he really only forced one shot (not counting the shot with the quarter ending). I wanna shout out his defense though. He let LaVine drive for a free dunk in the fourth, but besides that his defensive effort was really good. Outside of a couple of occasions where he left Wiggins to double KAT and paid for it, he was smart and effective. His D on KAT for a couple of stints was the most physical of the night, though he couldn't do a damned thing to keep KAT off the boards on those. It's also nice to see him getting the ball in good spots for game closers which hasn't been the case pretty much ever as a Knick; and suddenly he's converted two winners in a week.
KP: Clutch is the offensive board and put back to take the lead with a minute left. The kid is taking his star turn. 29 points on 11-20, 8 boards, 4 assists, 2 blocks (should have been more but whistles and non-credited ones lowered the tally)...an everything game. He is a scary rim protector when locked in and playing smart, his offensive arsenal isn't fair and when he's also showing comfort as a passer you're gonna see monster moments. KAT stole the spotlight somewhat, but KP made multiple plays that carried the Knicks to a win and in 20 shots you'd be hardpressed to find more than 3 forced takes. I do wish he'd get the refs love like KAT has earned, but KP has only just become this new aggressive cat while Towns has been there for a while.
KOQ: Too short for Towns and it showed, but he grabbed 8 boards in 18 and didn't force anything. Foul trouble hurt him because again, KAT was too much for him. But he gave a good effort in a diabolic match-up.
BJ: The unsung hero of this one. 12 points, 7 assists, 2 steals and 34 minutes on the floor because he had the offense rolling as long as he was the primary ball handler. He's pulling the three pointer more when he's left open and it's forcing defenders to be tight on him. He also converting jumpers more which is opening up everything. 5 of 14 looks bad, but it came with breaking down the defense and creating lanes and open looks for EVERYBODY else.
Holiday: 1-8 for 2 points...you might hate him for that. But in the closing minutes, this dude grabbed two clutch boards with giants surrounding him and both times he shook out the messed up shoulder but didn't slow down. He WORKED! His defense was damned good too. He was an intangibles guy but let's be real, dude needs to stop missing lay-ups. Gritty one from a clearly hurting player.
Kuz: Kuz hit 4 of 5 three pointers and every one of them seemed like it hurt the Wolves feelings. Kuz moved the ball well and attacked constantly. He got blocked twice but after the second one, he got the ball back and went right back up, that's a mentality MANY players don't have. Defensively his IQ is helping him get by and be a better help defender than most on the roster and it showed when he got to stay on the floor for the last defensive stand. I'm not sure where his ceiling ends at his age, but he's already showing that he can be a contributor in tight games.
Plumlee: This dude fist pumps and gets hype how Barron Trump claps at rallies (obscure joke, I'm calling it awkward)...but that's the only negative I'll gave baby arms. He was mobile and active on defense, he denied KAT off the ball to at least make dude work before putting it in the hoop. Kid fought for boards HARD, not getting the offensive board on a few but forcing situations where others grabbed the offensive board or he drew loose ball calls. He was probably our best C last night even if the stat-line isn't leaping off the page.
Sasha: Knicks needed another SG and gave us 11 quality minutes. I'm not gonna trash him for what he did, he's a limited player but knew his limits on this one (not always the case). He played decent defense, moved the ball and honestly helped the cause. I usually hate the guy, but he wasn't bad last night and I'll give him his due.
Willy: I thought he came out with the right mindset, getting physical with KAT immediately...he also immediately got whistled for his physicality and backed off at which point KAT went off on him. Offensively he was 2 for 2 in 8 mins, plus 2 FT's for 6 points. He had a really nice post move on KAT deep in the paint. But realistically, KAT ate him up and that's why he didn't see more time.
Ndour: Maybe he hustles so hard that his palms are sweaty, knees weak the ball's too heavy but until he starts catching the ball like a normal human being should...he's wasting a roster spot just because we have no other PF.
Hornacek: Your boy Hornacek busted out the Dexter killer instinct again in this one. He put his trust in the bench and let Kuz, Plumlee and Sasha when they were giving good minutes and it paid off. He let Melo sit longer in the second than normal when things were rolling; he benched Rose when dude bricked our fourth quarter momentum; and then with the game on the line he showed faith in Melo that paid off. Those are ALL decisions that could back fire and make him look foolish but he took the risks and they all hit.
Random: Thibs barking like a drill sergeant is one of my favorite things in basketball, dude is always two heartbeats per minute away from a heart attack. Seeing the minutes he gave his starters makes me wonder what woulda happened to our roster had he been here...lord knows Hornacek's moves last night made for an interesting foil.
KAT has the Melo "use my elbow to hook the defender behind me" technique down. Melo used to get away with that too, so I ain't hating, I'm impressed. Why does it feel like so many teams have a Bjelica type on their roster and they almost never impress me with their contributions?
onelastdeath
Banned
I need a new team
onelastdeath
Banned
What the hell are you expecting? A chip? Like man this fanbase is actually annoying af
Miles Davis
Prince of Darkness
Lance already know what it is, team flourishing without him and he's gonna get traded
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storyteller
Superstar
Lance already know what it is, team flourishing without him and he's gonna get traded
Knicksman20
Superstar
Word up. All of you Melo haters & fake fans come outta the wood works when he's off. He hits the game winner than you all stfu
Made a note of all of you
The only guy in this draft that's a franchise changer is Dennis Smith. Knicks aren't bad enough to get him or any other top 3-5 prospect. No sense in tanking and getting a lottery pick when it's not top 3.The usual suspects are about to come at your neck ranting about you being in the thread. Ball, Fultz, Monk,Fox, and Smith Jr. all looking good but folks hype about a second round exit at best. But folks want playoff basketball without taking into consideration the long term. This team is currently built for second round exits for the next couple of years, while at the same time not pairing KP with any elite young prospects.
When I was read on here that most successful teams are not built through the draft and Riley's Heat served as the template, I knew logic wasn't going to convince Knick fans. This is why Dolan can get away with this short term philosophy because Knicks fans eat the shyt up. I have very low expectations until Melo is gone, until then I'll just read why I should appreciate Melo the same way I appreciated Pat Ewing
storyteller
Superstar
I really like Fultz and Ball but I don't think a tank was ever feasible; not with the NTC for Melo.
ogc163
Superstar
I disagree, Fultz and Ball have looked very good. The main point is getting young talent to build with KP, instead of having him stuck in a situation where second round exits are the best he can do. I would rather tank and get a top 5 pick over the next two seasons than stay the current course and get eliminated in the second round for the next two years. Beginning the 2018 season with 3 blue chip players under 25 makes more sense than having an aging roster with only KP as a young blue chip piece.
Knick fans have a misguided tendency of being condescending towards teams currently in a youth based rebuild mode. But even when those young players do not reach their potential because of their inexpensive contracts and potential upside they are still much more valuable trade pieces than aging and past their prime veterans who have bloated contracts.
DirtyD
Last Time That I Checc'd......
A bunch of us are just going to have to agree to disagree here. I personally think wasting years getting bounced in the first or second round is pointless when we could be drafting and developing young prospects, but that's just me. 
tremonthustler1
aka bx_representer
I'm not gonna say what the Knicks are doing is a sound strategy, but you don't wanna go the tank route. Trust me.
tremonthustler1
aka bx_representer
Like I said, it's not what you want. Tanking is something you do when you lack a franchise player, not when you're trying to get parts to surround said franchise player. Tanking would be the quickest way to have someone like Porzingis wonder why he's hereA bunch of us are just going to have to agree to disagree here. I personally think wasting years getting bounced in the first or second round is pointless when we could be drafting and developing young prospects, but that's just me.
ogc163
Superstar
Yeah I do, I have watched the Knicks mistakenly rely on free agency and past their prime veterans for the last 15+ seasons. Meanwhile with the exception of the 2 championships won by the Lebron led Heat the last 18 championships have been won by teams who built through the draft or acquired talent by way of their draft picks. I am not satisfied with just making the playoffs with no realistic chance of contention when it is ultimately at the expense of long-term success. Getting hype over wins that lead to the road of mediocrity makes no sense to me, and so I'll continue to take the #Knickstank stance until it is apparent that ownership and management are serious about rebuilding.
