Bunchy Carter
I'll Take The Money Over The Honey
Suicides would fukking skyrocket if this were the case. One of the biggest factors in whether or not a suicide happens is whether there's an effective means to commit within easy reach. Homes with guns in them are over 300% more likely to experience a firearm suicide than homes without guns, and the homes without guns don't show any corresponding increase in sucides from other means.
Look at New York and Cali's numbers compared to the red states. That's solely a product of heavy gun ownership, and a huge portion of those are deaths within the home of the gun owner (suicides, accidents, domestic violence, and escalated conflicts). You're really hoping for that on the community?
No, suicides in the Black community would not skyrocket, even if there were more Black gun ownership. Black people have the lowest suicide rate out of every racial and ethnic group in America. Even when we factor in, that Black people experience the most racism, unemployment, financial stability and mass incarceration disparities, than any other group in America, even the world. Also, Black gun ownership was high in the 60's and 70's and the suicide rate for Black people was lower than Whites:
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Table 39. Death rates for suicide, by sex, race, Hispanic origin, and age: United States, selected years 1950-2010
White male 1950 1960 1970 1980 1990 2000 2009 2010
All ages, age-adjusted4 ............ 22.3 21.1 20.8 20.9 22.8 19.1 21.4 22.0
All ages, crude.................... 19.0 17.6 18.0 19.9 22.0 18.8 21.9 22.6
15-24 years........................ 6.6 8.6 13.9 21.4 23.2 17.9 17.6 18.3
25-44 years........................ 17.9 18.5 21.5 24.6 25.4 22.9 25.7 26.2
45-64 years........................ 39.3 36.5 31.9 25.0 26.0 23.2 31.4 33.0
65 years and over.................. 55.8 46.7 41.1 37.2 44.2 33.3 31.5 31.7
65-74 years...................... 53.2 42.0 38.7 32.5 34.2 24.3 26.6 26.3
75-84 years...................... 61.9 55.7 45.5 45.5 60.2 41.1 35.3 34.9
85 years and over................ 61.9 61.3 45.8 52.8 70.3 61.6 46.9 50.8
Black or African American male 1950 1960 1970 1980 1990 2000 2009 2010
All ages, age-adjusted4 ............ 7.5 8.4 10.0 11.4 12.8 10.0 8.9 9.1
All ages, crude.......................... 6.3 6.4 8.0 10.3 12.0 9.4 8.5 8.7
15-24 years.............................. 4.9 4.1 10.5 12.3 15.1 14.2 10.4 11.1
25-44 years.............................. 9.8 12.6 16.1 19.2 19.6 14.3 13.2 14.5
45-64 years........................ 12.7 13.0 12.4 11.8 13.1 9.9 9.6 9.5
65 years and over.................. 9.0 9.9 8.7 11.4 14.9 11.5 9.6 8.3
65-74 years...................... 10.0 11.3 8.7 11.1 14.7 11.1 8.0 7.6
75-84 years6 ..................... * * * 10.5 14.4 12.1 11.9 9.9
85 years and over................ --- * * * * * * *
Via: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/2011/039.pdf
Via: Racial and Ethnic Disparities | Suicide Prevention Resource Center
You said that "homes without guns don't show any corresponding increase in sucides from other means," is not true. In the psychology of suicide or suicidology, women and men choose different ways of committing suicide and also it varies by age. Women are more concerned than men with facial disfigurement, so they will choose to die by suffocation and poisoning, than a gun shot. Also, women rarely shoot themselves in the face.
Gender and suicide risk: the role of wound site.
Stack S1, Wasserman I.
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That males have higher suicide rates than females is one of the most empirically documented social facts in suicidology, but the reasons for this continue to be debated. For the present paper, we tested a neglected contributing factor to the gender suicide ratio: wound site or the area of the body that is wounded in firearm suicides. Males may have a higher suicide rate, in part, due to their greater likelihood than women for shooting themselves in the head as opposed to the body. This has been related to gender differences in fear of facial disfigurement and suicide intent. Data from the Wayne County Medical examiner's office regarding 807 suicides committed with firearms was analyzed. The dependent variable was dichotomous and referred to the location of the site of the wound: gunshot to the head vs. gunshot to the body. Controls for demographic covariates of suicide included age and race of the suicide victim. The results of the multivariate logistic regression analysis determined that women were 47% less apt than men to shoot themselves in the head. Further analysis determined that women were less apt than men to use shotguns and rifles in their suicides (weapons that make head shooting more awkward). The findings are consistent with the notion that women are more concerned than men with facial disfigurement, and that women have a lower desire to die than men.
PMID: 19298146 DOI::10.1521/suli.2009.39.1.13
Via: Gender and suicide risk: the role of wound site. - PubMed - NCBI
Firearms remain a consistent means of suicide for men over time. For men over the age of 65, firearms are used in over three-quarters of suicide deaths.
Suicide for women change over time. While younger women are most likely to die by suffocation, poisoning becomes a more common means of suicide as women age.