Multiple armed gunmen storm Michigan’s State House,

[Bunchy Carter]

Suicides would fukking skyrocket if this were the case. One of the biggest factors in whether or not a suicide happens is whether there's an effective means to commit within easy reach. Homes with guns in them are over 300% more likely to experience a firearm suicide than homes without guns, and the homes without guns don't show any corresponding increase in sucides from other means.

Look at New York and Cali's numbers compared to the red states. That's solely a product of heavy gun ownership, and a huge portion of those are deaths within the home of the gun owner (suicides, accidents, domestic violence, and escalated conflicts). You're really hoping for that on the community?

No, suicides in the Black community would not skyrocket, even if there were more Black gun ownership. Black people have the lowest suicide rate out of every racial and ethnic group in America. Even when we factor in, that Black people experience the most racism, unemployment, financial stability and mass incarceration disparities, than any other group in America, even the world. Also, Black gun ownership was high in the 60's and 70's and the suicide rate for Black people was lower than Whites:

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Table 39. Death rates for suicide, by sex, race, Hispanic origin, and age: United States, selected years 1950-2010

White male 1950 1960 1970 1980 1990 2000 2009 2010
All ages, age-adjusted4 ............ 22.3 21.1 20.8 20.9 22.8 19.1 21.4 22.0
All ages, crude.................... 19.0 17.6 18.0 19.9 22.0 18.8 21.9 22.6
15-24 years........................ 6.6 8.6 13.9 21.4 23.2 17.9 17.6 18.3
25-44 years........................ 17.9 18.5 21.5 24.6 25.4 22.9 25.7 26.2
45-64 years........................ 39.3 36.5 31.9 25.0 26.0 23.2 31.4 33.0
65 years and over.................. 55.8 46.7 41.1 37.2 44.2 33.3 31.5 31.7
65-74 years...................... 53.2 42.0 38.7 32.5 34.2 24.3 26.6 26.3
75-84 years...................... 61.9 55.7 45.5 45.5 60.2 41.1 35.3 34.9
85 years and over................ 61.9 61.3 45.8 52.8 70.3 61.6 46.9 50.8

Black or African American male 1950 1960 1970 1980 1990 2000 2009 2010
All ages, age-adjusted4 ............ 7.5 8.4 10.0 11.4 12.8 10.0 8.9 9.1
All ages, crude.......................... 6.3 6.4 8.0 10.3 12.0 9.4 8.5 8.7
15-24 years.............................. 4.9 4.1 10.5 12.3 15.1 14.2 10.4 11.1
25-44 years.............................. 9.8 12.6 16.1 19.2 19.6 14.3 13.2 14.5
45-64 years........................ 12.7 13.0 12.4 11.8 13.1 9.9 9.6 9.5
65 years and over.................. 9.0 9.9 8.7 11.4 14.9 11.5 9.6 8.3
65-74 years...................... 10.0 11.3 8.7 11.1 14.7 11.1 8.0 7.6
75-84 years6 ..................... * * * 10.5 14.4 12.1 11.9 9.9
85 years and over................ --- * * * * * * *

Via: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/2011/039.pdf

Via: Racial and Ethnic Disparities | Suicide Prevention Resource Center


You said that "homes without guns don't show any corresponding increase in sucides from other means," is not true. In the psychology of suicide or suicidology, women and men choose different ways of committing suicide and also it varies by age. Women are more concerned than men with facial disfigurement, so they will choose to die by suffocation and poisoning, than a gun shot. Also, women rarely shoot themselves in the face.

Gender and suicide risk: the role of wound site.
Stack S1, Wasserman I.
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Abstract
That males have higher suicide rates than females is one of the most empirically documented social facts in suicidology, but the reasons for this continue to be debated. For the present paper, we tested a neglected contributing factor to the gender suicide ratio: wound site or the area of the body that is wounded in firearm suicides. Males may have a higher suicide rate, in part, due to their greater likelihood than women for shooting themselves in the head as opposed to the body. This has been related to gender differences in fear of facial disfigurement and suicide intent. Data from the Wayne County Medical examiner's office regarding 807 suicides committed with firearms was analyzed. The dependent variable was dichotomous and referred to the location of the site of the wound: gunshot to the head vs. gunshot to the body. Controls for demographic covariates of suicide included age and race of the suicide victim. The results of the multivariate logistic regression analysis determined that women were 47% less apt than men to shoot themselves in the head. Further analysis determined that women were less apt than men to use shotguns and rifles in their suicides (weapons that make head shooting more awkward). The findings are consistent with the notion that women are more concerned than men with facial disfigurement, and that women have a lower desire to die than men.

PMID: 19298146 DOI::10.1521/suli.2009.39.1.13
Via: Gender and suicide risk: the role of wound site. - PubMed - NCBI

Firearms remain a consistent means of suicide for men over time. For men over the age of 65, firearms are used in over three-quarters of suicide deaths.

Suicide for women change over time. While younger women are most likely to die by suffocation, poisoning becomes a more common means of suicide as women age.

 

[Bunchy Carter]

Maybe I worded it wrong. I definitely don't think every person should own a gun and it shouldn't be mandatory. I just want us (black people) to be in a better position to defend/protect ourselves.

Bro you did not word shyt wrong and you do not have to explain. Dude just crowbar that argument in and I'm like.....where did that come from

..Armed Suspected White Supremacist go into Michigan state house, oh wait, lets talk about black suicide rates lol

Every decision to arm should be a careful, independent decision. I own guns, I keep them in a safe, locked storage place outside of my own home and completely inaccessible to the rest of my family. I ain't gonna speak on your own decision to arm.

But when you start saying the average person should arm, when you insist that everyone should arm like you just did, that will PROVABLY lead to more death and suffering in our community.

Hold up....you keep your guns to protect your family and home, outside of your home......the same home which you are trying to protect...that has your family in it......but the guns are outside of your home.

So, if a burglar breaks into your home, you have to go outside of your home to get your gun

.

 

[Absolut da poet ®]

You’re not allowed to touch me!



This really shows how different their lives and experiences are.

This country hates black people

We all know..

I don't know why we pay any attention to anything they say

They've already proved it 1000 times over

Black people in America need their own flag and should only support each other
The same way Asians do when they come to America and all the other ethic groups & nationalities

 

[Everythingg]

got nothin to do with fear you fukkin idiot.
they kill black people because they WANT TO SEE US DEAD.
fear has nothin to do with it

Why do they want to see you dead “idiot”? you still think they don’t like you because of your skin color?

Everything they do against black people is based off fear. Accept it and move differently instead of beating a dead horse bringing up how they treat you differently than others....

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

"Good people on both sides" pt.2

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

To contrast the tweet above

 

[WMG the 2nd]

"Good people on both sides" pt.2

WASHINGTON – President Trump applauded the NFL's new national anthem policy Thursday and suggested players who protest "shouldn't be in the country."

"You have to stand proudly for the national anthem," Trump said in an interview on Fox & Friends. "The NFL owners did the right thing."

Players who don't stand, the president said, maybe shouldn't be allowed to play and "maybe you shouldn't be in the country."

I really don’t like this guy or anybody that supports him

 

[ABlackMan]

If none of them got shot thats some fukking bullshyt and it shows this system will not change without fukkERY going down

Lol exactly because look where we are and have gotten by just getting back things that were taken from us! It’s gotta he took back like Redd and Debo with the bike

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

 

[FeverPitch2]

White folks get away with any and everything these days

These days?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

These days?

He just tried to take nostalgia thinking to the extreme right there.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

You said that "homes without guns don't show any corresponding increase in sucides from other means," is not true.

Goddamn you're bad at trash-posting a wall of studies that cover literally everything other than the actual topic of conversation. We're talking about suicide risk from guns in the home and you don't post a single study about....suicide risk from guns in the home? I'm pretty sure I know why you didn't.


Reducing Suicides by Firearms

There is ample evidence that suicidality is transitory. Should a person survive a suicidal impulse, his or her prognosis is quite good. The results of a meta-analysis of nearly 100 studies of suicide attempters showed that 90% of attempters who survive do not go on to die by suicide.[14] In fact, many suicide attempts occur with little planning,[15,16] often in response to a short-term crisis.[17,18] However, if a person attempts suicide through a means that is highly lethal, such as a firearm, the odds of survival are quite low.[19]

One must not opt to make a suicide attempt using a highly lethal means such as a firearm if there is to be any opportunity to obtain mental health treatment or endure a painful short-term crisis. In 2016, 51% of all suicide deaths in the United States (a total of 22,936 deaths) involved firearms, with an age-adjusted rate of 7.8 per 100,000.[4] In nearly every age group, firearms were the leading mechanism for suicide deaths (among 10- to 14-year-olds, they were the second-leading mechanism).[4] Access to firearms is a key risk factor for suicide.[20–23] Several studies have shown that rates of suicide are higher in states with higher levels of gun ownership (but not higher rates of suicide attempts) and that these heightened rates are driven by increases in firearm suicides.[21,22,24] Suicides by methods other than firearms are not significantly different in states with lower or higher overall suicide rates.[24] Multiple reviews offer strong evidence that rises in gun ownership prevalence are associated with increases in firearm suicides, which in turn lead to increases in the overall suicide rate.[25–27] Studies of gun prevalence and suicide rates typically control for multiple potential confounders such as psychological distress, substance use, poverty, education, and unemployment.[22,28,29] They also typically reveal that the relationship between household gun ownership and suicide rates holds for men, women, children 5 to 14 years old, and those in nearly every other age group.[30–32] Decreasing the number of firearm suicides would yield a significant reduction in the overall suicide rate in the United States.[20–22]

Guns and suicide: A fatal link

In the United States, suicides outnumber homicides almost two to one. Perhaps the real tragedy behind suicide deaths—about 30,000 a year, one for every 45 attempts—is that so many could be prevented. Research shows that whether attempters live or die depends in large part on the ready availability of highly lethal means, especially firearms.

A study by the Harvard School of Public Health of all 50 U.S. states reveals a powerful link between rates of firearm ownership and suicides. Based on a survey of American households conducted in 2002, HSPH Assistant Professor of Health Policy and Management Matthew Miller, Research Associate Deborah Azrael, and colleagues at the School’s Injury Control Research Center (ICRC), found that in states where guns were prevalent—as in Wyoming, where 63 percent of households reported owning guns—rates of suicide were higher. The inverse was also true: where gun ownership was less common, suicide rates were also lower.

The lesson? Many lives would likely be saved if people disposed of their firearms, kept them locked away, or stored them outside the home. Says HSPH Professor of Health Policy David Hemenway, the ICRC’s director: “Studies show that most attempters act on impulse, in moments of panic or despair. Once the acute feelings ease, 90 percent do not go on to die by suicide.”

But few can survive a gun blast. That’s why the ICRC’s Catherine Barber has launched Means Matter, a campaign that asks the public to help prevent suicide deaths by adopting practices and policies that keep guns out of the hands of vulnerable adults and children. For details, visit www.meansmatter.org.

Household Firearm Ownership and Suicide Rates in the United States on JSTOR

Background. In the United States, more people kill themselves with firearms than with all other methods combined. A central question regarding the relation between firearms and suicide is whether the ready availability of firearms increases the suicide rate, rather than merely increasing the proportion of suicides from guns. Methods. We used publicly available data for the nine regions and 50 states in the United States over a 10-year period (1988-1997) to examine the association between levels of household firearm ownership and rates of suicide, firearm suicide, and non-firearm suicide by age groups and gender. Results. In both regional and state-level analyses, for the U.S. population as a whole, for both males and females, and for virtually every age group, a robust association exists between levels of household firearm ownership and suicide rates. Conclusions. Where firearm ownership levels are higher, a disproportionately large number of people die from suicide.

(PDF) Firearms and Suicide in the United States: Is Risk Independent of Underlying Suicidal Behavior?

On an average day in the United States, more than 100 Americans die by suicide; half of these suicides involve the use of firearms. In this ecological study, we used linear regression techniques and recently available state-level measures of suicide attempt rates to assess whether, and if so, to what extent, the well-established relationship between household firearm ownership rates and suicide mortality persists after accounting for rates of underlying suicidal behavior. After controlling for state-level suicide attempt rates (2008–2009), higher rates of firearm ownership (assessed in 2004) were strongly associated with higher rates of overall suicide and firearm suicide, but not with nonfirearm suicide (2008–2009). Furthermore, suicide attempt rates were not significantly related to gun ownership levels. These findings suggest that firearm ownership rates, independent of underlying rates of suicidal behavior, largely determine variations in suicide mortality across the 50 states. Our results support the hypothesis that firearms in the home impose suicide risk above and beyond the baseline risk and help explain why, year after year, several thousand more Americans die by suicide in states with higher than average household firearm ownership compared with states with lower than average firearm ownership.

This state-by-state study linked gun ownership with youth suicide

Youth suicides rates are higher in states with high gun ownership rates, a team at Boston University School of Public Health found.

“Household gun ownership was the single biggest predictor of youth suicide rate in a state,” Dr. Michael Siegel, a public health specialist at BU, told NBC News.

Siegel has been studying the relationships between gun ownership and homicide, suicide and other factors. It’s well known that people with access to a gun are far more likely to complete suicide. And some data had suggested that gun ownership in general was associated with higher suicide rates.

“For each 10 percentage-point increase in household gun ownership, the youth suicide rate increased by 26.9 percent,” they wrote in their report, published in the American Journal of Preventive Medicine.

“This study demonstrates that the strongest single predictor of a state’s youth suicide rate is the prevalence of household gun ownership in that state,” Siegel said.

Why are guns so strongly associated with suicide?

Experts say it’s because they are quick and immediately lethal. Suffocation, pills or other methods take longer and are more likely to fail to kill.

“Firearms are 2.6 times more lethal than any other means of suicide; thus, access to firearms might be expected to contribute to a higher incidence of suicide,” the team noted.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Hold up....you keep your guns to protect your family and home, outside of your home......the same home which you are trying to protect...that has your family in it......but the guns are outside of your home.

So, if a burglar breaks into your home, you have to go outside of your home to get your gun

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Who said I keep guns to protect my family? The White Right-wing Gun Nut fantasy of some armed burglar breaking into the home and murdering the wife and chillens with ME present right there virtually never happens outside of their own heads. Every once in a while one of the nuts shoots an unarmed crackhead in the leg and brags like they just did something when a fukking shout would have scared the motherfukker off. I'm quite confident in my ability to protect my family without hiding behind a gun and the VAST majority of Black men in this country do just fine by that. The chance of someone in the home dying from a gun accident, gun suicide, a police shooting where they use the gun as an excuse to fire, domestic violence, or a confrontation that was escalated due to the presence of the gun is FAR higher. Do you carry a defibrillator around just in case someone's heart stops? An oxygen tank in case they have a breathing problem? It would be a hell of a lot more likely to be used to save your family's lives if you did and less likely to cost them theirs, if that's what you cared about and not compensating for other inadequacies.

By far the most likely way anyone's wife or kids will die from a gun is suicide. The second most likely is a random act of violence on the streets, from a motherfukker driving by. The next most likely is an accident, either a playing with gun accident or catching a stray. The next most likely is domestic violence. And then the next most likely after that is getting shot by a cop. And a gun won't do shyt to save them in any of those. The likelihood of being killed from some target home invasion murder-robbery is at the END of the list.

I'm 40 years old now and I've had more than enough friends die at the hands of a gun. I wrote about this shyt just the year before last when three brehs got shot up on the street right next to me. In all my 40 years, in everyone I know who lost their life or had a close call, not ONCE would having a gun have saved them. Scary cats walk around with their guns frightened of the world when they don't know shyt about the world, the rest of us manage to get by just fine day by day cause we know how to act, and we also know that times come where there ain't shyt you can do because that was your time.

 

[Everythingg]

Hold up....you keep your guns to protect your family and home, outside of your home......the same home which you are trying to protect...that has your family in it......but the guns are outside of your home.

So, if a burglar breaks into your home, you have to go outside of your home to get your gun

.

He’s a globalist who wants black people to unite with everyone instead of just themselves. His poor take should be expected at this point

 

[Professor Emeritus]

He’s a globalist who wants black people to unite with everyone instead of just themselves. His poor take should be expected at this point

I ain't no globalist fool, you can't have any idea what that means if you calling me a globalist.

Just because I refused to agree with you that the world was flat and that Native Americans were black doesn't make me a globalist.

You have not provided ONE piece of physical evidence for the earth being round. Just insults and cac explanations.

Breh literally thinks that globalists are people who believe in the globe.