Most "we dont believe you" rap lines of 2012

[Don Dada F Poppa]

You know the deal has already been signed right? It's been signed for over a year. He is speaking about in the future when this current deal expires. He didn't get 50 million for his current deal.





No, he can't quit. He is signed to Def Jam as a solo artist, GOOD Music as a distribution deal with them. He doesn't just get to 'quit' because he is obligated to record music for Def Jam as a solo artist.



Take your own advice. You are just pulling figures out of your ass with out knowing the record business, the stipulations of all those contracts, and think GOOD Music = Cash Money = Mariah Carey = Jay-z. Just stop. You are comparing apples and oranges and bananas and mangos at this point. You don't know specifics either so stop asking for them and then throwing out random numbers like you did all the research. Its corny.

And I know you wanted to sound smart throwing in 'inflation' but you seemed to leave out one very important factor when Cash Money and Mariah Carey got their deals.........RECORDS WERE SELLING IN THE 90s. We are in 2012, join us breh. Record companies don't sell nearly as much product across the board.





It is not his arena. Plain and fukking simple. He lies about shyt and that is why he wanted his percentage of the team to not get leaked to the media. He knew if he didn't say anything people like yourself who are so in love with him would just run with anything he says.



Far from the top dog, there are 6 others.

You are comparing a regular management position with being a CEO or owning a building?



I seriously can't use this smiley anymore.



Did you just try to act like you are smarter than the average hip hop fan then fukk up a simple line?


When he said 'I own madison square' he was talking about he shuts it down. Listen to the whole context of the verse, jesus fukking christ.

Glad I ain't catch one

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

damn, dude just got Greg the barber'd in one post...

 

[Harry B]

1. I will be happy if someone gives me proof of Kanye not getting 50Ms.
I believe that if Ross can get 8 figures, Shakira can get 60, ASAP 3, Roc nation 150, Good Music can get at least 50. I don't know the specifics of the deal, but based on what other people got, it's not impossible.



2. Jay-z is a director of the Barclays Arena, he might not be the HNIC of the board which I thought but he's still a director and a one of 4-5 owners of the Nets, can he say it's his arena in a verse filled with various boasting? IMO yes, it sounds better than saying "our arena". Just like saying my house, instead of saying my parents house or to be politically correct the banks house that my parents own the right to live in as long as they pay the mortgage. Or puff saying my vodka, to Ciroc.

It's very well understood that he doesn't own a 4.5 billion dollar complex, not a lot of people do.



It's obvious that it's cause it's Jay-z and Kanye West, they've got these Nas stans and butthurt haters minds all fukked up.
The line about Humphries is laughable, but the other two wouldn't have been mentioned if it was anyone else besides maybe someone from Young Money.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

Explain how you know that he didn't get 50 million for his deal, one would assume that he's exaggerating about the time he negotiated his new deal.

Because he didn't, was never reported, Maybach Music didn't get no 50 million. Roc-A-Fella at its peak didn't even get 50 million.

Ok so if one 'assumes that hes exaggerating' doesn't that fall under the 'WE DONT BELIEVE YOU RAP LINES of 2012'

He was on a 5 album deal, MBDTF was his 5th album and he signed a new deal for him and Good Music. I don't know why anyone would assume that he's talking about extorting def jam for 50Ms.

Because that is how he is making it sound to sound cool? Walk in Def Jam Building like 'IM THE shyt' tell em gimmie 50 million or imma quit? Forcing someones hand over some money is pretty much extortion.

He can't quit now, no one claimed that. But he could quit after MBDTF.

But he didn't and again, he isn't going to so the fact I cited this line for 'we dont believe you' fits perfectly.

I didn't pull a single # out of anyones ass.
all facts, that you can look up.

You didn't not pull of the facts of the deals and hit us with what you heard. Maybach music getting 10+ million was a rumor.

1. Mariah signed a 100M contract in 2001, was bought out in 2002 for 50M, signed a deal with Island in 2002 for 24M.

2. Jay-z signed his deal in 2007

3. Rick Ross signed his deal in 2011

1. 2001 when records were still selling? And again, did you fail to realize they were buying out her catalog? Shes one of the most successful women in the history of music.

2. Jay-z has more #1 albums than the Beatles and it was a 360 deal including touring, a few albums, and whatever else they tossed in. Jay-z commands more money than Kanye West does.

3. So? He didn't get anywhere near 50 million for his and Maybach Music is out there just as much as GOOD Music is at this point.

If you claim to be smart, you would see that I gave examples of different types of deals over a 12 year period. All of them 8 figures, some to finance companies, some regular record deals, some 360 and on.

I never claimed to be smart. I just claimed that you didn't know what you were fully talking about.

Again you thinking Jay-z = Cash Money = Mariah Carey = Good Music. They had different deals, structured different ways, in different eras of music, and sold much different than each other.

And another artist that's a pure gamble is Asap rocky he signed for 3 million

Except he didn't sign for 3 million. He even said so himself. You are failing to realize that rappers lie ALL THE TIME.

WTT and MBDTF probably sold 5 million world wide, that would yield a revenue of 50 million if they got 10 bucks per disc, that was in 9 months, how much can he + the rest of the gang gross in the coming say 7-8 years (it's a longterm deal) + maybe touring + publishing producers and what not? And based on that I said that it was POSSIBLE

Can you stop with this George Bush math? Everything isn't black and white. They are not making 10 bucks per cd because you are failing to factor in overhead and costs associated with the publishing and distribution of the product.

You think they signed every artist at GOOD to a 360 deal just so you can say its possible that Kanye got 50 million?

, I didn't say he got 50 million. You are the only one acting like you know shyt, I'm guessing on what's possible or not possible, not acting like I know what the correct # is. And if you think something like inflation is "smart" or acting "smart", it just proves that you're stupid as fukk.

Im the only one acting like I know shyt but you are trying to break down numbers, doing the math over 7 years, trying to factor in inflation.

I didn't say something like inflation is smart, I said you were trying to act smart and you overlooked the most important part.....record labels arent selling product like they use to so a 30 million dollar deal in the 90s with or without inflation means NADA.

JP Morgan has a bunch of board members and Executive officers , but only one chairman and only one Chief. My bad if he isn't chairman of the board, but still even if he was "just" on the board of directors, IMO and millions of others it's enough to call the arena yours. Maybe he should name the other dudes on the board as well to clarify that he isn't the only one and you cocksuckers could get some sleep?

You said he was the head dood in charge. He is one of 7 upper management people that direct people at Barclays. If you want to continue to think because Jay-z tells the waiting staff how to prep the luxury boxes for the game means he pulls up to his own arena, there is nothing more to say.

The arena isnt his, no matter how hard you are trying to paint it. How old are you really?

And why he didn't want his percentage to get leaked to the media? It's not been leaked yet.

Really?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/16/n...es-the-celebrity-investors-playbook.html?_r=1

Everyone knows he invested 1-4.5 million bucks. They assumed 1 million and calculated 1/300 million cause the team is worth 300 million. The funny thing is only the biggest cocksucking Jay-z haters believed that he said he owned Barclays Arena (when it's all public info on who owns it) or NJ/BK Nets when everyone knows his percentage was around 1 percent +- depending on which figure of 1-4.5 million you choose to use.

It was understood, just like the fukking Barclays arena line was understood that he was a director, boss or something like that.

He was never a director of MSG. Jay-z consistenly sells out MSG, one of the few who can do it, he 'owns' it in that sense. Just like when you are busting people on a basketball court you are 'owning them'

His line about pulling up into his own arena, is not the same, or in the same context. You are making yourself look REALLY bad right now. Bow out. Im not even trying to get at you. You are just upset because I don't believe 2 lines from Kanye West and Jayz.

 

[Gifted one]

Harry B is the fox news of the coli, just throws around random numbers, and making up things he wants to believe, thread went from funny to seeing this kid embarrass himself, dude is on Wacky D and Rhyme King levels of worst posters

 

[Gotright]

Harry b

 

[Harry B]

Because he didn't, was never reported, Maybach Music didn't get no 50 million. Roc-A-Fella at its peak didn't even get 50 million.

Ok so if one 'assumes that hes exaggerating' doesn't that fall under the 'WE DONT BELIEVE YOU RAP LINES of 2012'



Because that is how he is making it sound to sound cool? Walk in Def Jam Building like 'IM THE shyt' tell em gimmie 50 million or imma quit? Forcing someones hand over some money is pretty much extortion.




But he didn't and again, he isn't going to so the fact I cited this line for 'we dont believe you' fits perfectly.



You didn't not pull of the facts of the deals and hit us with what you heard. Maybach music getting 10+ million was a rumor.



1. 2001 when records were still selling? And again, did you fail to realize they were buying out her catalog? Shes one of the most successful women in the history of music.

2. Jay-z has more #1 albums than the Beatles and it was a 360 deal including touring, a few albums, and whatever else they tossed in. Jay-z commands more money than Kanye West does.

3. So? He didn't get anywhere near 50 million for his and Maybach Music is out there just as much as GOOD Music is at this point.



I never claimed to be smart. I just claimed that you didn't know what you were fully talking about.

Again you thinking Jay-z = Cash Money = Mariah Carey = Good Music. They had different deals, structured different ways, in different eras of music, and sold much different than each other.



Except he didn't sign for 3 million. He even said so himself. You are failing to realize that rappers lie ALL THE TIME.



Can you stop with this George Bush math? Everything isn't black and white. They are not making 10 bucks per cd because you are failing to factor in overhead and costs associated with the publishing and distribution of the product.

You think they signed every artist at GOOD to a 360 deal just so you can say its possible that Kanye got 50 million?



Im the only one acting like I know shyt but you are trying to break down numbers, doing the math over 7 years, trying to factor in inflation.

I didn't say something like inflation is smart, I said you were trying to act smart and you overlooked the most important part.....record labels arent selling product like they use to so a 30 million dollar deal in the 90s with or without inflation means NADA.





You said he was the head dood in charge. He is one of 7 upper management people that direct people at Barclays. If you want to continue to think because Jay-z tells the waiting staff how to prep the luxury boxes for the game means he pulls up to his own arena, there is nothing more to say.

The arena isnt his, no matter how hard you are trying to paint it. How old are you really?



Really?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/16/n...es-the-celebrity-investors-playbook.html?_r=1










He was never a director of MSG. Jay-z consistenly sells out MSG, one of the few who can do it, he 'owns' it in that sense. Just like when you are busting people on a basketball court you are 'owning them'

His line about pulling up into his own arena, is not the same, or in the same context. You are making yourself look REALLY bad right now. Bow out. Im not even trying to get at you. You are just upset because I don't believe 2 lines from Kanye West and Jayz.

1. Just post the numbers instead, post Kanyes contract or shut the fukk up.
How do you know it isn't the same as Roc Nation and if Kanye generates 1/3 of what Jay does why can't he gets 1/3? Who do you think is financing him to UAE to shoot movies premiering at the Cannes film festival for a fukking hiphop compilation album? He has producers, movies, artists and all that shyt. Why can't he get a 1/3? I'm just wondering.

2. MMG and Good Music like you say might not have the same structures, and Kanye is an international superstar. 1 tour of his makes more than MMG has made combined in their lifetime.

3. Asap rocky said he signed for 3 million, the deal was worth 3 million but he didn't get 3 million dollars.

4. Show me where in that ARTICLE written by ANOTHER PERSON, this leak is presented. All I see is them using the rumored 1 million dollars and calculating his share in relation to what the russian and Ratner paid and by that setting a value to the club.

5. Record labels might not be selling, but labels are still generating billions through different avenues like touring, merchandising and on. And cats might not be selling but if WTT and MBDTF sold what they sold in the states in the rest of the world that's 6 million in 9 months + Big Sean + Kid Cudi that's 7 million in 9 months. He generates more than a million dollars per show and you wanna compare him to other rappers.

And you should look up the word revenue, hint it's not profit.


6. Jay-z is the brand manager of the team, one of 7 directors, minority owner of the Arena and the club. He's basically the spokesperson. I think it gives him the right to say my arena, we might be different but it's not a "we don't believe you" unless you were dumb enough to think that he was referring to him throwing up 4.5 billion.

 

[Harry B]

Harry B is the fox news of the coli, just throws around random numbers, and making up things he wants to believe, thread went from funny to seeing this kid embarrass himself, dude is on Wacky D and Rhyme King levels of worst posters

The only thing that bothers me about you is that you read all my posts.
I follow Jay-z cause he's an interesting duke and extremely talented musician, the reasons to why you follow me must be severe mental disorder.

No one can point out why Kanye can't get 50 Ms and no one can point out why Jay-z doesn't have the right to refer to Barclays Center as his. Can he refer to Roc-a-wear as his? Can Diddy Refer to Ciroc as his? In rap songs.

It's not like they are saying that they are with 200 times more than they are like Nas. They are just not being politically correct.


I call out bullshyt when I see it and specially if it's regarding people I respect.

 

[Gifted one]

The only thing that bothers me about you is that you read all my posts.

No one can point out why Kanye can't get 50 Ms and no one can point out why Jay-z doesn't have the right to refer to Barclays Center as his. Can he refer to Roc-a-wear as his? Can Diddy Refer to Ciroc as his? In rap songs.

It's not like they are saying that they are with 200 times more than they are like Nas. They are just not being politically correct.

I thought you had me on ignore, which means you shouldn't be reading my posts, but since the topic went to Kanye and Jay you took me off of ignore just for you to put your on. you're taking L's left and right in this thread, just stop while you're ahead

 

[Harry B]

I thought you had me on ignore, which means you shouldn't be reading my posts, but since the topic went to Kanye and Jay you took me off of ignore just for you to put your on. you're taking L's left and right in this thread, just stop while you're ahead

I unblocked you, cause I thought you were of my dikk.
If my cape was on, I would shyt on anything regarding Jay or Ye and I wouldn't cast my vote on the K. Humphries line, megatronbomb and the california dude are 2 notorious Jay-z/Kanye haters/trolls that's why I responded to just those two dudes and no one else.

And I still haven't taken an L in this thread until someone proves me wrong.
All I see is a lot of dancing around my questions regarding why those lines are included.

 

[Harry B]

fukk it, I'm still waiting.

Why can't Kanye get 50Ms if Shakira can get 60, Ross 10, Jay-z 150 and he generates a million dollars per night and sells up to 6 million records in 1 year?


And who do you think has the right to call Barclays their arena? And when you answer that question do you think Dr. Dre has the right to call Beats his headphones? Puff call Ciroq his vodka? Jay-z Roc-a-wear? Jordan call Air Yeezy his?

Or is it just Jay-z and Barclays Center, I've even seen a bunch of you dudes saying he claimed that he owned NJ Nets.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

And California

This is what I found from your article from the majority owner of the Barclays Center

“He is it,” Mr. Ratner, the developer, said in an interview. “He is us. He is how people are going to see that place.”

You think when Bill Gates tells an employee at Microsoft 'you are at the heart of soul of Microsoft' that means he owns the building he parks in?

Everyone knows Jay-z is the visual/face of the franchise. They are using him to promote it and its working great. He owns as much of the arena as the cavemen own the Geico building though. You are citing a PR piece that is using Jay-z likeness for attention as an example of how he owns an arena.

Ill respond to the rest tomorrow when I get back to work.

 

[Gifted one]

I unblocked you, cause I thought you were of my dikk.
If my cape was on, I would shyt on anything regarding Jay or Ye and I wouldn't cast my vote on the K. Humphries line, megatronbomb and the california dude are 2 notorious Jay-z/Kanye haters/trolls that's why I responded to just those two dudes and no one else.

And I still haven't taken an L in this thread until someone proves me wrong.
All I see is a lot of dancing around my questions regarding why those lines are included.

If Megatron and OnlyinCali are trolls according to you, why are you taking their posts serious then? its not my fault people on here are dapping my posts, onlyincali posts, and there has been other posters laughing at you, scroll through this page, you're taking L's left and right, now go on and get back to doing what you do best

 

[Harry B]

You think when Bill Gates tells an employee at Microsoft 'you are at the heart of soul of Microsoft' that means he owns the building he parks in?

Everyone knows Jay-z is the visual/face of the franchise. They are using him to promote it and its working great. He owns as much of the arena as the cavemen own the Geico building though. You are citing a PR piece that is using Jay-z likeness for attention as an example of how he owns an arena.

Ill respond to the rest tomorrow when I get back to work.

Let's end this here instead, there is not much more to say about this subject the thread is already derailed.

fukk it, I'm still waiting.

Why can't Kanye get 50Ms if Shakira can get 60, Ross 10, Jay-z 150 and he generates a million dollars per night and sells up to 6 million records in 1 year?


And who do you think has the right to call Barclays their arena? And when you answer that question do you think Dr. Dre has the right to call Beats his headphones? Puff call Ciroq his vodka? Jay-z Roc-a-wear? Jordan call Air Jordan his?

Or is it just Jay-z and Barclays Center, I've even seen a bunch of you dudes saying he claimed that he owned NJ Nets.

If your answers is the same as Jay-z with all those dudes and you stand firm that Kanye can't get the same deal as Shakira well we'd have to agree to disagree.

 

[ChalkWhyte]

this is one faggy ass argument