More Important For A Push: Timing or Readiness

[TrueEpic08]

Reading over some of the reactions to the G1 Final around the internet, a lot of people seem to be displeased that the victor won the tournament, mostly because they believe that he's not ready (whether it be due to injury or due to a lack of main event level ring ability).

As much as I am a fan of this man, I do agree with them that said victor hasn't looked the best over the last couple of months. However, I'm also of the belief that timing is extremely important when it comes to pushing a guy. You can't count on a guy being over and the fans clamoring for someone to get the full go push indefinitely. Guys cool off, and if they cool off, who knows whether you can get that heat back. Sometimes you can, sometimes you can't. You never know.

Therefore, I just wanted to field some comments on this topic. What do you think is more important to consider when pushing someone: their ability to work good main event level matches consistently, or making sure that the timing is as right as it can possibly be?

Oh, and if you want to discuss the G1 winner specifically, you can do that too, I guess. You know, if you're into that sort of thing.

 

[Wcthesecret]

Readiness, because we now live in a world where a vanilla midget like chris Sabin is tna world heavyweight champion. Nobody wants to live in a world like that people, nobody.

 

[boriquaking]

its really a little of both, but really its that crowd connection. the time is right when a person is over. thats when you know to take em out the oven.

 

[Wcthesecret]

its really a little of both, but really its that crowd connection. the time is right when a person is over. that when you know to take em out the oven.

Which is why Kofi Evan Roderick davey and Chris Sabin should never succeed.

 

[Silkk]

Both, but timing more importantly. Look at ryback

 

[Hoss]

Good thread topic.

I'd say it's mostly about timing and striking while the iron is hot. Work on developing the talents while he's the top dog, but the key is to not miss the boat while the dude is crazy over.

 

[Jmare007]

Of course both are important but as most have already said, timing takes preference. Although someone that might not be ready for a big push can flop badly and never be the same, you have to take the risk and give him the ball if he's over on a (tupac?) main event level. Hell, you can mold him to be a good/decent worker if you put him against talented guys, that's way easier than mold a crowd to like someone they are not very interested in (no matter how "ready" he might be).

In New Japan's case

Spoiler

Naito was going to get this big push at some point anyway. New Japan already knows what happens when you postpone a push (Goto) and Naito has shown enough for me to think he can be great.

Most people bytching about him winning are the same that were crying like bytches because Okada was getting a IWGP title match in his 2nd singles match back on the official roster and didn't know Okada was the best young lion New Japan had shown in decades, but they jumped to conclusions after 1 bad Dome match.

These next 4 months are going to be key for Naito's future though. He has to show his pre injury form again and captivate the audience like he did in 2011 and 2012. He has all the tools for it so I ain't complaining.

 

[Beautiful Bobby Eatin]

Of course both are important but as most have already said, timing takes preference. Although someone that might not be ready for a big push can flop badly and never be the same, you have to take the risk and give him the ball if he's over on a (tupac?) main event level. Hell, you can mold him to be a good/decent worker if you put him against talented guys, that's way easier than mold a crowd to like someone they are not very interested in (no matter how "ready" he might be).

In New Japan's case

Spoiler

Naito was going to get this big push at some point anyway. New Japan already knows what happens when you postpone a push (Goto) and Naito has shown enough for me to think he can be great.

Most people bytching about him winning are the same that were crying like bytches because Okada was getting a IWGP title match in his 2nd singles match back on the official roster and didn't know Okada was the best young lion New Japan had shown in decades, but they jumped to conclusions after 1 bad Dome match.

These next 4 months are going to be key for Naito's future though. He has to show his pre injury form again and captivate the audience like he did in 2011 and 2012. He has all the tools for it so I ain't complaining.

I was one of those people who bytched about Okada as he hadnt shown me much until he got the belt and I took a closer look. The G1 winner was poised for this push last year but injuries happen. If theyre really serious about this new change of the guard, Devitt and the winner should be where they start. He's not ready for the belt yetbut hes ready for a shot and they have a six month build to do also.

To answer the question, its kind of a wash. Someone like Zack Ryder was not ready but the timing was impeccable. While someone like Bobby Roode was ready for his shot years before he got it, he juzt never got the chance to connect with the fans.

 

[Nintendough]

Timing is most important. Its easier to get ready if you aren't ready. Timing is based off of being in sync with time opportunities you can't control which makes it more important to pay attention too.

 

[swag johnson]

That G1 Climax tournament was fukking amazing. If anyone considers themselves a fan of pro wrestling they have to watch it. It's all on youtube right now. Day 4 is when it starts to become legendary.

 

[TrueEpic08]

Of course both are important but as most have already said, timing takes preference. Although someone that might not be ready for a big push can flop badly and never be the same, you have to take the risk and give him the ball if he's over on a (tupac?) main event level. Hell, you can mold him to be a good/decent worker if you put him against talented guys, that's way easier than mold a crowd to like someone they are not very interested in (no matter how "ready" he might be).

In New Japan's case

Spoiler

Naito was going to get this big push at some point anyway. New Japan already knows what happens when you postpone a push (Goto) and Naito has shown enough for me to think he can be great.

Most people bytching about him winning are the same that were crying like bytches because Okada was getting a IWGP title match in his 2nd singles match back on the official roster and didn't know Okada was the best young lion New Japan had shown in decades, but they jumped to conclusions after 1 bad Dome match.

These next 4 months are going to be key for Naito's future though. He has to show his pre injury form again and captivate the audience like he did in 2011 and 2012. He has all the tools for it so I ain't complaining.

Spoiler

I'll say this about Naito: I looked back over some of his matches from 2011 and 2012, up until he got injured, and something a bit distressing caught my eye. There's no doubt that when it comes to main event style matches, Naito can bring it, as has been has been having fantastic matches of that type since his G1 Final match against Nakamura two years ago. But when it comes to those 12-17 minute matches that often fill out the upper-midcard of New Japan shows, Naito's performances have been spotty. His matches against Yujiro can be forgiven because it's fukking Yujiro (even though his gimmick is more enjoyable the more I watch it), but when you can't have consistently great matches against Nakamura, something's up. He got more consistent as 2012 went on, but since he's come back Naito's been having that same problem. I could attribute it to still having issues with his knee (apparently he got it drained during the G1), but I can't ignore that's it's a problem, and a recurring one.

When he is on though, he's among the best in the company (he might be the best in the world in executing moves and making them look aesthetically perfect) and all of the talent is there, so I'm not too worried. But he's going to need to sort himself out soon.

Know this though: I thought that Tanahashi outright sucked when he got the belt (even though that HAD to give him the belt when they did). It wasn't until a year in that I thought he started getting really good. So at least he's far, far ahead of that.

 

[Jmare007]

When he is on though, he's among the best in the company (he might be the best in the world in executing moves and making them look aesthetically perfect) and all of the talent is there, so I'm not too worried. But he's going to need to sort himself out soon.

Know this though: I thought that Tanahashi outright sucked when he got the belt (even though they HAD to give him the belt when they did). It wasn't until a year in that I thought he started getting really good. So at least he's far, far ahead of that.

I agree with this. The fact that New Japan is not as desperate as in 06'-07' and they have an incredibly deep roster at heavyweight makes people raise questions that they wouldn't be making otherwise. But, complaining about a guy who has big potential and who has shown can handle his business as a big match guy makes little sense to me. (BTW, I know you are not one of those people)

As you said, Tanahashi went from good, to pretty good, to great in a span of 3 years (a couple of big injuries included) and even to this day struggles in non main event or G-1 matches. Okada went "who is this guy?" (by 90% of the people who were watching at the time and hadn't seen him as a GREAT young lion in 09') to "holy shyt he's awesome" in a span of 2 months . And fukk, it took like 6 years before Nakamura finally found a character and started being amazing....If the talent is there, and with Naito we know it's there, then we should have patience with him and give him chances. Keeping him in the uppermidcard is way riskier because he might turn out to be anything more than just that (like Nakanishi and Goto).

 

[Golayitdown]

Timing. Miz is a perfect example of this. Don't think somebody like him will ever be ready, but he experienced marginal success because of the timing....

 

[Wcthesecret]

I agree with this. The fact that New Japan is not as desperate as in 06'-07' and they have an incredibly deep roster at heavyweight makes people raise questions that they wouldn't be making otherwise. But, complaining about a guy who has big potential and who has shown can handle his business as a big match guy makes little sense to me. (BTW, I know you are not one of those people)

As you said, Tanahashi went from good, to pretty good, to great in a span of 3 years (a couple of big injuries included) and even to this day struggles in non main event or G-1 matches. Okada went "who is this guy?" (by 90% of the people who were watching at the time and hadn't seen him as a GREAT young lion in 09') to "holy shyt he's awesome" in a span of 2 months . And fukk, it took like 6 years before Nakamura finally found a character and started being amazing....If the talent is there, and with Naito we know it's there, then we should have patience with him and give him chances. Keeping him in the uppermidcard is way riskier because he might turn out to be anything more than just that (like Nakanishi and Goto).

When did shinsuke nakamura debut his swagsuke fukkyeahmura persona anyway?

 

[Illeye buckmatic]

Timing. You can be ready all you want but if you're stuck behind established main eventers,your gonna get caught up in a numbers game. But if the timing is right,whether it's injuries,suspensions,defections,or a hot promo or shoot interview,one can cash in on an opportunity by filling the void.