More automakers are being forced to rethink their EV plans; Chinese competition threat to the West

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For now; how long does that last though?
Tesla saving grace is their charging infrastructure
Tesla is about to be the industry standard for charging though. Thats one thing they definitely knocked out the park. They can never release another car and we’ll be straight off the chargers.
 

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Tesla is about to be the industry standard for charging though. Thats one thing they definitely knocked out the park. They can never release another car and we’ll be straight off the chargers.
Not only that Tesla already putting superchargers at major highway rest stops across the country.. These are the rest stops truckers use like Loves…
 

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Not only that Tesla already putting superchargers at major highway rest stops across the country.. These are the rest stops truckers use like Loves…
Tesla is about to be the industry standard for charging though. Thats one thing they definitely knocked out the park. They can never release another car and we’ll be straight off the chargers.

I see where both of you are coming from. Question though: if you were able to develop an EV with 500-700 miles of range, would you really need a Tesla supercharger at that point? (Especially if you had similar charging tech at home?)
 

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I see where both of you are coming from. Question though: if you were able to develop an EV with 500-700 miles of range, would you really need a Tesla supercharger at that point? (Especially if you had similar charging tech at home?)
Yes. I spend 4 minutes at a gas station. Tops.
 

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I see where both of you are coming from. Question though: if you were able to develop an EV with 500-700 miles of range, would you really need a Tesla supercharger at that point? (Especially if you had similar charging tech at home?)
Yes you would, the superchargers are for road trips as you can charge your ev up to 80% in 20-25mins

Nobody has a supercharger at home it draws too much power.. that’s why they are stand alone facilities for them.. At home your using a level 2 charger that will charge your ev up in 4hrs.
 

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Toyota was the smartest adult in the room.. again. :sas1::sas2:

The Japanese tend to be conservative when designing/creating new models & tech; their culture has always been with the mindset of, they don't want to inconvenience people with subpar products. Tesla owners have been chirping at Toyota hybrid owners saying that the technology is a waste, that they should just buy an EV instead, etc.

Toyota is just now building a battery plant for electric cars in the US, might they have developed some battery tech that's ground breaking, cost effective and reliable? :sas2: The Japanese NEVER do anything unintentionally. If I were Tesla, I might be a little bit concerned.

 
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Toyota was the smartest adult in the room.. again. :sas1::sas2:

The Japanese tend to be conservative when designing/creating new models & tech; their culture has always been with the mindset of, they don't want to inconvenience people with subpar products. Tesla owners have been chirping at Toyota hybrid owners saying that the technology is a waste, that they should just buy an EV instead, etc.

Toyota is just now building a battery plant for electric cars in the US, might they have developed some battery tech that's ground breaking, cost effective and reliable? :sas2: The Japanese NEVER do anything unintentionally. If I were Tesla, I might be a little bit concerned.
I dunno about this one. They were bullish as hell on hydrogen taking off, when it was obvious the shyt was a non-starter
 

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I dunno about this one. They were bullish as hell on hydrogen taking off, when it was obvious the shyt was a non-starter

Ideally, it's the best choice for the environment. But -- the infrastructure needed and the amount of power you get from it is lacking.

Edit: IF Toyota has solved the issues with solid state batteries, that's going to be the battery design most companies are going to use. Big if though; although them building a massive battery plant in the Carolina's makes me wonder.
 

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Mercedes Benz ditches plan to sell only EVs by 2030​

Jordan Hart
Feb 23, 2024, 12:46 PM EST
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Mercedes-Benz is moving away from its ambitious plans for EVs by 2030. Reuters
  • Mercedes-Benz said in 2021 it planned to be all-electric by 2030.
  • The carmaker walked back that goal during an earnings call this week, however.
  • A Q4 statement from Mercedes says EV sales in 2030 will be more like 50% of its fleet.
It looks like Mercedes-Benz won't live up to its goal to be all-electric by 2030.

In 2021, the German carmaker announced plans only to sell electric vehicles — "where market conditions allow" — by 2030. It now seems that market conditions aren't going to allow that.

In its fourth quarter statement released Thursday, the company said it would allow customers' demands to "set the pace" for how much of its fleet will be electric or gas. And, as of Thursday's release, it expects its overall EV sales to reach just 50% by the time 2030 rolls around.

During a September interview at the Munich car show, Mercedes CEO Ola Källenius first hinted at a more narrow outlook for the EV market.

"It's not going to be 100% in 2030, obviously... from the whole European market, but probably from the Mercedes side as well," he said, according to Reuters.

Mercedes expects its EV sales to account for about 19% to 21% of new car sales this year.

Mercedes isn't the only automaker that is reevaluating its EV plans. Consumer demand for EVs has cooled as shoppers look for more affordable options and struggle with the lifestyle changes required to own a car that needs charging.

EV owners said that finding public chargers that work can be hard, especially on long road trips. And at home, expensive electricity rates make home charging a costlier solution than automakers first imagined.

"This is a pretty brutal space," Harald Wilhelm, the chief financial officer of Mercedes-Benz, told analysts in 2023. "I can hardly imagine the current status quo is fully sustainable for everybody."
 
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