Monkeypox Discussion Thread

[Professor Emeritus]

They really tried making this the “new pandemic”

"they"

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

"they"

It's always "them".

 

[CrimsonTider]

They really tried making this the “new pandemic”

We can’t continue like this as a people. This is black trauma porn.

Hope he makes it.

These scumbags that are targeting and robbing strictly black entertainers in LA need to be put to death. Turn those guns on our actual enemies.

"they"

It's always "them".

Higher learning did

Look back at the arguments I had in this thread. shyts wild

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

Higher learning did

Look back at the arguments I had in this thread. shyts wild

Respectfully, you are far too deep in the red for me to take time out of my day to go back and read whatever you said.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Respectfully, you are far too deep in the red for me to take time out of my day to go back and read whatever you said.

I’m not in the red from HL. I’m in the red because I’m a fan of Drakes music and I post in the booth

When I was saying no one has died from MP people in this thread were basically claiming I was making light of the situation

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

I’m not in the red from HL. I’m in the red because I’m a fan of Drakes music and I post in the booth

When I was saying no one has died from MP people in this thread were basically claiming I was making light of the situation

On a scale of 1-10 how much do you like Drake?

 

[CrimsonTider]

On a scale of 1-10 how much do you like Drake?

He’s top 2 and not 2

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

He’s top 2 and not 2

On a scale of 1-10 how much do you like him?

 

[DoubleClutch]

"they"

The media/social media. Where else do most people get info from?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

The media/social media. Where else do most people get info from?

I get my information primarily from news articles, agreed. And the articles I've read about monkeypox have all been pretty much accurate and haven't suggested that the repercussions will be anything like Covid. I think most other people have seen the same, otherwise we wouldn't have been stuck at just 149 comments a good 4 months in.

Compare that to the HL Covid thread, which reached 150 comments on February 8th just 3 weeks after thread started, even though it basically hadn't even hit the USA yet. Seems like the media has been fairly proportional, at least the media that HL posters follow.

What would you know though? 99% of your contribution to Covid was spreading misinformation about the vaccines, bytching about how it was affecting basketball, or your yearly post claiming it was over.

 

[DoubleClutch]

I get my information primarily from news articles, agreed. And the articles I've read about monkeypox have all been pretty much accurate and haven't suggested that the repercussions will be anything like Covid. I think most other people have seen the same, otherwise we wouldn't have been stuck at just 149 comments a good 4 months in.

Compare that to the HL Covid thread, which reached 150 comments on February 8th just 3 weeks after thread started, even though it basically hadn't even hit the USA yet. Seems like the media has been fairly proportional, at least the media that HL posters follow.

What would you know though? 99% of your contribution to Covid was spreading misinformation about the vaccines, bytching about how it was affecting basketball, or your yearly post claiming it was over.

you’ve actually been reading my posts

Ok you got me.

I wanna say Covid is finally “over” but we will see when this new NBA season starts

But at least we both can agree Monkey pox is a joke

Just ask rich white people about it and they’ll laugh in your face

The media just likes scaring the poor, uneducated, minorities/old people, etc....

 

[therewillbeboogienights]

I have been reading about how HIV has spread in San Francisco recently, and I got to thinking about how rampant diseases are in the male gay community. Monkey pox is the new one now, I guess. Mainstream media is downplaying the fact that monkeypox does seem to affect men who have sex with men in particular. It seems that gay men make up 96% of those diagnosed. Just like AIDS, monkey pox is going turn into everybody else's problem because of reckless behavior. History rhymes, I guess. It will never stop.

Spoiler: Long Post about early AIDS ahead if you care:

Let's start with early AIDS activist Michael Callen. Even though he was previously a healthy man with no preexisting conditions his whole life, in his late 20s, he had the medical history and immune system of a peasant baby during the Tudor era.

Michael Callen's medical history in his own words:

Let me present my own history of STDs. From 1973, when I came out, to 1975, I only got mononucloeosis and non-specific urethritis, or NSU. In 1975, I got my first case of gonorrhea. Not bad, I thought. I'd had maybe 200 different partners, and I'd only gotten the clap twice. But then, moving from Boston to New York City, it all began to snowball.

First came hepatitis A in '76 and more gonorrhea and NSU. In 1977, I was diagnosed with amebiasis, an intestinal parasite, hepatitis B, more gonorrhea, and NSU. In 1978, more amebiasis and my first case of shigella, and of course, more gonorrhea. Then in 1979, hepatitis yet a third time, this time non-A, non-B, more intestinal parasites, adding giardia this time, and an anal fissure as well as my first case of syphilis ... By 1981, I got some combination of STDs each and every time I had sex ...

At age twenty-seven I've had: gonorrhea, syphillis, hepatitis A, hepatitis B, and hepatitis non-A, non-B; intestinal parasites including amebiasis, e. historicia, shigella, giardia; herpes simplex types one and two; venereal warts, mononucleosis, cytomegalovirus, and now cryptosporodiosis (disease found in livestock), for which there is no known cure.

Then, the infamous Gaeten Dugas. Here is a doctor telling Gaeten Dugas (incorrectly known as patient zero) to stop transmitting HIV:

Hughes
Please finish with Dugas, because you had some more dealings with him before he died.

Dritz
Bill Darrow and Dave Auerbach came back up to my office from southern California to talk to me, because I had a whole list of contacts listed on my blackboard there. You've seen pictures of that. Bill came in and he said, "Well, I've got a name now and a contact. Do you know any of these?" And he gave me Gaetan Dugas' name, and I had that name already. I showed him Gaetan Dugas had contact with Michael Maletta, a hairdresser from New York, and there was Dan Turk, who had a clothing store on Polk Street, and one or two other names. I would have to look back at the slides now to be sure. We're talking about almost ten years ago now. And they're dead now.

I knew that Gaetan Dugas was still in town. I couldn't get to him, but I put word out, "If you see Gaetan Dugas, let him know I want to see him." He came up. I told him, "Look, we've got proof now." I didn't tell him how scientifically accurate the information was. It wasn't inaccurate, but it wasn't actually scientifically proven. I said, "We've got proof that you've been infecting these other people. You've got AIDS, you know. We know it's transmissible now, because you're transmitting it." He was the active partner in all this gay business, anal-genital sex. "You've just got to cut it out."

"Don't be silly, I won't cut it out. It's my life. I'll do what I want." I said, "Yes, but you're infecting other people." "I got it. Let them get it." I said, "You've got to cut it out!" "Screw you." He walked out. I never saw him again. It was a pity, because he was apparently an intelligent man, except on this one point. And he was very, very sexually active. He was a presumptive proof that AIDS was something transmissible from an infected person directly to the uninfected person.

On the main cause behind the spread:

Dritz
Well, number one was the baths, because we knew that was the main source of AIDS transmission. A gay man could pick up one or two partners in a bar, and they'd go off someplace to have their fun. There were back rooms in the bars, in the baths, too. They were called orgy rooms, where ten, fifteen, twenty, thirty, forty men were dancing around with almost no light, and of course, anything happened there. That explained to us why a gay man would say, "I don't know who I got it from. I never saw his face." That sort of thing.

Mind you, the revisionist history taught now is that healthcare providers did not care about AIDs at all and callously ignored the gay community.

After reading this I completely understand why all the cities that tried to ban gay clubs/bathouses back in the early 80s.

Dritz on one of the first attempts to arrange a complete shutdown of the bathhouses.

Many members from the gay community were at that meeting. Bobbi Campbell, who was already infected with AIDS, was standing at the back. I remember at least three members of the gay community, nude, just with towels around them, holding signs that said, "Today the baths; tomorrow the ovens." They meant that, if we let you close the baths on us, next thing you'll quarantine us, then we'll be in jail, then you'll destroy us, like a Hitler. It was very, very extreme.

So, we were working partly in the dark. We were shedding as much light as we could on the people we were trying to reach. Marc Conant was backing us on trying to close the baths, because he saw from his own patients at UCSF and what he heard from the gay community that too many things were going on that simply would spread the thing beyond anything that we'd ever seen. Well, the Black Death, the plague in the Middle Ages, wiped out one-third of European population over a period of a couple of years. This epidemic eventually is going to wipe out that much of the general as well as gay population unless we can get a vaccine for it and medical treatment.

Like imagine trying to get a handle on the fatal plague racing through the community and every third gay man you interview and diagnose with AIDS immediately tells you they are going back to the local bathhouse? It'd turn anyone homophobic.

Early 90's documentary about AIDS:

Let me know if you all want to read more, this stuff is fascinating to me, but granted, I am not strong in biology, so it is also hella confusing.

 

[DoubleClutch]

*Crickets

 

[therewillbeboogienights]

*Crickets

What are you implying?

 

[boogers]

I get my information primarily from news articles, agreed. And the articles I've read about monkeypox have all been pretty much accurate and haven't suggested that the repercussions will be anything like Covid. I think most other people have seen the same, otherwise we wouldn't have been stuck at just 149 comments a good 4 months in.

Compare that to the HL Covid thread, which reached 150 comments on February 8th just 3 weeks after thread started, even though it basically hadn't even hit the USA yet. Seems like the media has been fairly proportional, at least the media that HL posters follow.

What would you know though? 99% of your contribution to Covid was spreading misinformation about the vaccines, bytching about how it was affecting basketball, or your yearly post claiming it was over.

thank you for battling these demons

i dont have the energy