Mobb Deep - The Infamous Mobb Deep (Official Discussion Thread)

[TEKBEATZ]

Juicey J coming in Legendary

 

[TheDarceKnight]

I agree to an extent. but unlike HOE, IWW did get it's fair share of hate, only to be regarded as a classic later on. HOE is acknowledged as Mobb's second best album, close to the Infamous, but always below it. The Infamous is just on another level breh, just like Illmatic is to IWW.

There's a small group of people that definitely think HOE is their best album. it's a small number of people, I am not one of them, but I think their logic isn't bad.

The people that say HOE is better typically don't try to go the "song for song it's a better album" direction. What they usually say is that Havoc's production and Prodigy's lyrics were both at their highest levels on that album. So a lot of people will say they enjoy it more just because they feel like everything was just stepped up a bit. This is especially true among the fans that loved the darker songs on Infamous, because HOE was just that but amped up a level. It's also more true among fans that were in late elementary school / early middle school when Infamous dropped. 83-87 babies a lot of times will put HOE over Infamous, because HOE was probably the first Mobb album they heard.

I realize it sounds like I'm arguing for it, but to me, Infamous is probably my favorite album ever. HOE is right behind it to me. Just showing some light on the other side.

Great points about the differences between IWW and HOE.

 

[g-ice]

I'm still @ that Juicy J verse man

Why isn't Bank$ or 50 on one of these joints? :damndeux:

 

[mobbinfms]

There's a small group of people that definitely think HOE is their best album. it's a small number of people, I am not one of them, but I think their logic isn't bad.

The people that say HOE is better typically don't try to go the "song for song it's a better album" direction. What they usually say is that Havoc's production and Prodigy's lyrics were both at their highest levels on that album. So a lot of people will say they enjoy it more just because they feel like everything was just stepped up a bit. This is especially true among the fans that loved the darker songs on Infamous, because HOE was just that but amped up a level. It's also more true among fans that were in late elementary school / early middle school when Infamous dropped. 83-87 babies a lot of times will put HOE over Infamous, because HOE was probably the first Mobb album they heard.

I realize it sounds like I'm arguing for it, but to me, Infamous is probably my favorite album ever. HOE is right behind it to me. Just showing some light on the other side.

Great points about the differences between IWW and HOE.

A lot of good points here. I heard HOE first and thought it was amazing. Then heard Infamous and was blown away. I still vividly recall listening to the first few songs on the Infamous. For a period in 97-98, I thought HOE was better. Over time, the flaws in HOE are apparent to me. Infamous is basically perfect. I was also blown away the first time I heard Noyd's EP. I listened to it like 6 times in a row. I stayed up basically all night just running it back over and over.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

A lot of good points here. I heard HOE first and thought it was amazing. Then heard Infamous and was blown away. I still vividly recall listening to the first few songs on the Infamous. For a period in 97-98, I thought HOE was better. Over time, the flaws in HOE are apparent to me. Infamous is basically perfect. I was also blown away the first time I heard Noyd's EP. I listened to it like 6 times in a row. I stayed up basically all night just running it back over and over.

Noyd's first EP is one of the most underrated releases of all time. I don't know if I've ever even seen it talked about on this board. Plus, for HOE fans, it was basically just a little sequel to that. Same time period, and P and/or Hav was on what...every song but the first one?

 

[thewave]

i grab my pelle pelle
cause i wanna look fly when i die

 

[Rapmastermind]

Here's how I honest rate each album:

JH - 3 MICS
TI - 5 MICS
HOE - 4.5 MICS
MM - 4.5 MICS
I - 3.5 MICS
AN - 3.5 MICS
BM - 3 MICS
Black Cocaine - 4 MICS

Compilations:

Free Agents - 4 MICS
Safe is Cracked - 4 MICS
Infamous Archives - 4 MICS


Outside of a few misses they have a phenomenal catalog.

 

[ISO]

Here's how I honest rate each album:

JH - 3 MICS
TI - 5 MICS
HOE - 4.5 MICS
MM - 4.5 MICS
I - 3.5 MICS
AN - 3.5 MICS
BM - 3 MICS
Black Cocaine - 4 MICS

Compilations:

Free Agents - 4 MICS
Safe is Cracked - 4 MICS
Infamous Archives - 4 MICS


Outside of a few misses they have a phenomenal catalog.

I'd probably give Murda Muzik 4 Mics, and Juvenile Hell 3.5 Mics

 

[Rapmastermind]

I'd probably give Murda Muzik 4 Mics, and Juvenile Hell 3.5 Mics

Can't argue with 4 MICS but MM was that crack, these dudes went Platinum off a hard a$$ LP. Look I go back and forth with HOE VS MM which one I like better so I give them the same rating. HOE I can admit I bumped more but MM had a lot songs I love till this day. JH they were young and outside of the singles most of it was pretty forgettable.

 

[M. Delorean]

Sounding dope so far.....im missing the Henny Track and the Conquer Track.....can someone help me out with those?

 

[JuvenileHell]

There's a small group of people that definitely think HOE is their best album. it's a small number of people, I am not one of them, but I think their logic isn't bad.

The people that say HOE is better typically don't try to go the "song for song it's a better album" direction. What they usually say is that Havoc's production and Prodigy's lyrics were both at their highest levels on that album. So a lot of people will say they enjoy it more just because they feel like everything was just stepped up a bit. This is especially true among the fans that loved the darker songs on Infamous, because HOE was just that but amped up a level. It's also more true among fans that were in late elementary school / early middle school when Infamous dropped. 83-87 babies a lot of times will put HOE over Infamous, because HOE was probably the first Mobb album they heard.

I realize it sounds like I'm arguing for it, but to me, Infamous is probably my favorite album ever. HOE is right behind it to me. Just showing some light on the other side.

Great points about the differences between IWW and HOE.

Oh I agree 100% that HOE definitely showed growth. Especially for Prodigy as a rapper. His verse on Apostle's Warning is probably my fav verse from him PERIOD. No doubt HOE era P was him at his peak.

Same thing IWW, Nas stepped up the lyricism on that big time and put out Take It In Blood, which is also one of my fav Nas joints ever. That song pretty much secured Nas's spot for me as the GOAT (Well that and De Ja Vu)

But to me what makes the difference is that both Illmatic and Infamous are essentially perfect...IWW and HOE 9 times out of 10, I end up picking out the best songs from those albums to play. When it comes to Illmatic and The Infamous, I just play them front to back, because it's too damn hard to choose the best songs from those two albums. And the level of cohesion for both those albums are so high that it feels weird just picking out certain songs to play, I just gotta play those albums from start to finish.

I guess that's what makes the difference to me. I could point out the not so stellar joints in IWW/HOE with no problem. The Infamous and Illmatic? All 5/5 classic songs that also flow well like butter.

 

[JuvenileHell]

This. And we just got a collection of songs recorded for that GOAT album. This is a beautiful time for hip hop. AND THERES MORE CLASSIC UNRELEASED SONGS OUT THERE

Man, I'm just glad I got a CDQ of The Bridge and If It's Alright.

Survival of The Fittest was dope too. "I'm puttin holes in your body, make it pause in the party and drown your open sores in bacardi"

@ that imagery. He was pouring alcohol into fresh bullet wounds

I wonder if P listens to that second CD and wonders just what the fukk was he on back then, because younger P was just evil

 

[ISO]

Oh I agree 100% that HOE definitely showed growth. Especially for Prodigy as a rapper. His verse on Apostle's Warning is probably my fav verse from him PERIOD. No doubt HOE era P was him at his peak.

Same thing IWW, Nas stepped up the lyricism on that big time and put out Take It In Blood, which is also one of my fav Nas joints ever. That song pretty much secured Nas's spot for me as the GOAT (Well that and De Ja Vu)

But to me what makes the difference is that both Illmatic and Infamous are essentially perfect...IWW and HOE 9 times out of 10, I end up picking out the best songs from those albums to play. When it comes to Illmatic and The Infamous, I just play them front to back, because it's too damn hard to choose the best songs from those two albums. And the level of cohesion for both those albums are so high that it feels weird just picking out certain songs to play, I just gotta play those albums from start to finish.

I guess that's what makes the difference to me. I could point out the not so stellar joints in IWW/HOE with no problem. The Infamous and Illmatic? All 5/5 classic songs that also flow well like butter.

Honestly, I don't see how Nas got better lyrically from Illmatic to It Was Written, his flow is what improved, and he was telling stories and had different concepts as it was a mafioso album. Nas on Illmatic was a bit more raw and just so damn poetic, I still think nobody has ever flipped lyrically like Nas on NY State of Mind.

P was better on Hell On Earth by a slight margin lyrically, but his flow def was better. I still remember his flow on his opening bars (to my Mobb crimey/money hungry and grimy/Mobb sheisty/Godfather III and Gotti/rapper Noyd Ty Max and Ty Nitty/Scarface and Gambino New York City ). Also, Hell On Earth (Frontlines) is as good a verse as P as ever spit actually one of the greatest verses I've ever heard I'm talking about the last verse.

 

[JuvenileHell]

I'd probably give Murda Muzik 4 Mics, and Juvenile Hell 3.5 Mics

I agree with the Murda Muzik rating...not so much with Juvenile Hell. I think that 3 is pretty accurate. The album had some joints (Peer Pressure, Stomp Em out, Hold Down the Fort) but the rest of the album is pretty forgettable imo.

Honestly, I don't see how Nas got better lyrically from Illmatic to It Was Written, his flow is what improved, and he was telling stories and had different concepts as it was a mafioso album. Nas on Illmatic was a bit more raw and just so damn poetic, I still think nobody has ever flipped lyrically like Nas on NY State of Mind.

P was better on Hell On Earth by a slight margin lyrically, but his flow def was better. I still remember his flow on his opening bars (to my Mobb crimey/money hungry and grimy/Mobb sheisty/Godfather III and a Gotti/rapper Noyd Ty Max and Ty Nitty/Scarface and Gambino New York City ). Also, Hell On Earth (Frontlines) is as good a verse as P as ever spit actually one of the greatest verses I've ever heard I'm talking about the last verse.

Well for me I think Nas was a lot more polished on IWW, you're right that his flow improved, more so than his lyrics but I think that on Illmatic Nas's strength was how unorthodox yet poetic, his use of words were. On IWW he added on great use of metaphors and references to that base. I agree though NY State of Mind is crazy lyrically.

Yeah P's flow improved as well, and I think his voice was at it's most sinister I dunno what it is but dude really sounded like some killer teenager. Just like Nas I think he improved improved on the references and metaphors he was using. P also was saying crazier shyt too, talking about nikkas coming in herds and shyt

.Oh agreed about his last verse in Hell On Earth (Frontlines), his flow on that was crazy...I know that shyt by heart. All of his verses on HOE were perfect, I just really liked Apostle's Warning.

 

[ISO]

I agree with the Murda Muzik rating...not so much with Juvenile Hell. I think that 3 is pretty accurate. The album had some joints (Peer Pressure, Stomp Em out, Hold Down the Fort) but the rest of the album is pretty forgettable imo.


Well for me I think Nas was a lot more polished on IWW, you're right that his flow improved, more so than his lyrics but I think that on Illmatic Nas's strength was how unorthodox yet poetic, his use of words were. On IWW he added on great use of metaphors and references to that base. I agree though NY State of Mind is crazy lyrically.

Yeah P's flow improved as well, and I think his voice was at it's most sinister I dunno what it is but dude really sounded like some killer teenager. Just like Nas I think he improved improved on the references and metaphors he was using. P also was saying crazier shyt too, talking about nikkas coming in herds and shyt

.Oh agreed about his last verse in Hell On Earth (Frontlines), his flow on that was crazy...I know that shyt by heart. All of his verses on HOE were perfect, I just really liked Apostle's Warning.

Breh I was literally doing the when P said "jail nikkas sending kites to the streets/over some beef that was unfully cooked finish em off well done meat/that said 22 slug to ya head travel all the way down to ya leg"

Nobody was saying shyt like that, nobody P the fkn gawd