Mobb Deep Hell on Earth Sample Discovered

[FunkDoc1112]

You can clearly here, he chopped it around at the end for the torn around to make it a complete melody, but it's clearly recognizable in that clip, pitching it down was only necessary so you can rap over it and make it loop, plus it sounds better, but it did not make it unrecognizable

Yeah, I agree with you here...the main meat of the beat is fairly obvious, he just changed the pitches to give the loop a smoother ending/transition. It looks crazy from an outsider perspective but it's actually not super out there, especially if you've played with samples before. He wasn't being a mad scientist - he came up with a transition and made it happen with the ASR keys. If you hear the full song, you can tell he was mainly trying to make the transition that was already there smoother and thinking outside the box to remake it:



If I had to guess, he wanted to loop all of 2:40-2:45, but the end of it is kinda sloppy if you're trying to fit it into a 4:4 signature, so he made his own version of it.

 

[mobbinfms]

Yeah, I agree with you here...the main meat of the beat is fairly obvious,

If it was fairly obvious, why did it take 26 years for it to be discovered? In the context of a commmunity of people who are out there actively searching for samples like this one?
Even being told the song, and the specific time stamp, I still can’t hear it.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

If it was fairly obvious, why did it take 26 years for it to be discovered? In the context of a commmunity of people who are out there actively searching for samples like this one?
Even being told the song, and the specific time stamp, I still can’t hear it.

Like Master Teacher said, it wasn't obvious because it's a rare song. But if you go to that section, you can hear it instantly.

And in the full context of the song, Chick spent the first 2.5 minutes just kinda playing around with the piano keys, but the part Havoc sampled marks the beginning of the more melodic section. That specific part has another half-bar of buildup with a similar melody, helping it stick out. So I'd bet when Havoc was listening to the song he was probably "" until that part came in.

Trust me, when you start making beats yourself with samples, the thinking behind the flips makes more sense. All those crazy finds come from patience and experimentation.

 

[mobbinfms]

But if you go to that section, you can hear it instantly.

If this was true, please explain why it wasn’t discovered for 26 years.
Please don’t argue that no producer or Mobb/hip hop fan listened to that Chick Corea song the past 26 years. Please don’t argue that it’s a rare song, it’s on Spotify and the album was released on a major label. These explanations defy logic.

If you want to say that, when the sample is pointed out, a trained ear can hear it, but most civilians cannot, ok. But it’s not obvious. Obvious is Dre sampling Leon Haywood.

 

[CSquare43]

That era was when producing was at its peak in hip hop. No question about it.

Sh*t like this makes you appreciate real production...

 

[CSquare43]

Havoc top 3. PERIOD

Should be its own thread.

 

[NYChase718]

Havoc tha goat

Guy is a genius

 

[FunkDoc1112]

If this was true, please explain why it wasn’t discovered for 26 years.
Please don’t argue that no producer or Mobb/hip hop fan listened to that Chick Corea song the past 26 years. Please don’t argue that it’s a rare song, it’s on Spotify and the album was released on a major label. These explanations defy logic.

If you want to say that, when the sample is pointed out, a trained ear can hear it, but most civilians cannot, ok. But it’s not obvious. Obvious is Dre sampling Leon Haywood.

Just because it's on Spotify and a major label doens't mean it ISN'T rare breh The shyt only got like 3.5 K views on YouTube and is from a live performance album, further capping how many people heard it. Only jazz heads and super-duper crate diggers would have come across it.

 

[mobbinfms]

Just because it's on Spotify and a major label doens't mean it ISN'T rare breh The shyt only got like 3.5 K views on YouTube and is from a live performance album, further capping how many people heard it. Only jazz heads and super-duper crate diggers would have come across it.

There are tracks on YouTube from the live BDP album with similar numbers. Is that a rare album to you?

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

Sample snitching

Take it down if you posted that

my guy them days are DONE

there's literally programs that will find out anything you try to hide in sampling. and a lot of them are used to deconstruct songs and make these king of videos. also used to catch people trying to upload uncleared sample songs

 

[M.V.W.]

my guy them days are DONE

there's literally programs that will find out anything you try to hide in sampling. and a lot of them are used to deconstruct songs and make these king of videos. also used to catch people trying to upload uncleared sample songs

Oh wow!

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Yup...one thing I learned when making beats is when you discover a sample, roll with whatever it is that caught your ear in the first place. Don't try to be a mad scientist. if it's necessary to get the loop sounding right (Cuz some things sound good on their own but awkward looped) or get it to what you envisioned then sure, but you can't worry about impressing nerds on WhoSampled lol

Speaking from experience, what I imagine Hav was doing with this and SHook Ones was playing the loop on his ASR at different keys and just seeing what worked until he found something he liked. He was probably like, "I like this piano melody, but I need something to fill in the end of the loop " and that's where the other pitches came in

Also apparently he didn't even like the Shook Ones Pt 2 beat all that much, and he also said if he had it to do over again that he'd change up Quiet Storm.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Wow so he pitched it multiple times with the same sample.

He did the same shyt here

Time-coded to start at 0:47. He plays the OG beat and then at 1:19 shows how he changed it for the album version.



edit: @Whips-n-Chains tagging you too

 

[mobbinfms]

The very beginning of the OG sample, around 17 seconds or so appears to be the source for the 21 years sample as well.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

and it wasn't discovoered 26 years later it's literally credited on the album

Hell on Earth (Front Lines) by Mobb Deep on WhoSampled

Discover all samples, covers and remixes for Hell on Earth (Front Lines) by Mobb Deep

www.whosampled.com

It absolutely is not credited on the album. I'm looking at my copy of the liner notes right now. You linked WhoSampled. It wasn't on there a few weeks ago.

This is a brand new find. I'm sure a couple of producers have found it and kept it quiet, but the fact that the overall beat-head/sample community hasn't found this and posted it until 2022 is insane.

shyt I worked with 9th Wonder and Khrysis and they were hoping to stumble on that Hell on Earth sample for years. That's been a joint that diggers were hoping to stumble on for years.