Missouri gun murders 'rose after law repeal'
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Its because you cant accurately track how many lives are saved by gunsI'll look over some "good" gun stats
though and get back to you.
for the first time and make my first informed opinion.
fixed for you
States with lax gun laws, Like Alaska, and Kentucky, Arizona which dont even require a permit have fewer gun murders than heavily regulated gun states like California and Pennsylvania...
Is gun regulation really the determining factor here?
I'm not convinced, but concede this an extremely bad look for gun ownership.
Black smoke and cac jokes
Your daps are mine
I see what you're saying but this was comparative. No matter how many lives it saved or what it was used for, the increase in guns within the state directly correlated to the increase in murders since the newly registered guns were used in the murder/shooting.
Also, they compared it to the country's average so therefore all randomness and/or rarities are excluded since they are as probable in the rest of the country.
Well if we look at countries like Britain and Australia, they both saw a sharp rise in crime after banning guns...
...and I think its fair to assume there are other factors at work playing a much larger part than the guns themselves.
Basically I think we should be willing dive a little further rather than just stopping at how regulated the firearms were or weren't...
I really do wonder what people are trying to achieve by advocating gun ownership. I know they know that more people with guns = more people shooting each other for no good reason.
So what benefit could be worth all this? Protection from bad guys with guns. I get that, but we don't protect society from lions by giving everyone a lion and letting them scrap it out. We try our best to keep lions off. the. streets.
So what benefit could be worth all this? Protection from bad guys with guns. I get that, but we don't protect society from lions by giving everyone a lion and letting them scrap it out. We try our best to keep lions off. the. streets.
How do "we the people" protect our self from the state?
During the civil rights movement, gun ownership was key to securing and protecting black neighborhoods....
Ethnic Vagina Finder
The Great Paper Chaser
It's not fukking rocket science and it doesn't take years of research to figure it out. Simple math.
The easier it is to get a gun the more guns are in circulation. The more guns in circulation the more opportunities a potential killer (intentional or unintentional) has to possess one. The more potential killers with guns, the higher the violent crime rates.
The easier it is to get a gun the more guns are in circulation. The more guns in circulation the more opportunities a potential killer (intentional or unintentional) has to possess one. The more potential killers with guns, the higher the violent crime rates.
godkiller
"We are the Fury"
The study asks a specific question, which is whether gun legislation helped to increase gun crime in Missouri. The study concludes gun legislation in this specific instance is in fact correlated to Missouri gun crime.
I don't get this study. The state of Missouri participates in the federal background check program.
And, most of the illegal guns on the street are sold by people who pass these so-called checks.
Handgun Background Check System Has Loopholes
System Only as Good as Submitted Information
By Charles Montaldo
The FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System, established by the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993, works if the individual states submit all of the data into the system. Otherwise, people considered too dangerous to own handguns can buy them with few problems.
In the aftermath of the April 16, 2007 massacre at Virginia Tech, the deadliest shooting spree in U.S. History, it was discovered that Cho Seung-Hui had been determined to be mentally ill and a danger to himself and others. In spite of that court ruling and an order to undergo a psychological evaluation, Cho was able to purchase the handguns he used to shoot 32 people and himself from a licensed gun dealer.
The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) is designed to stop someone like Cho from purchasing handguns. NICS interfaces with the National Crime Information Center (NCIC) and the Interstate Identification Index (III) to determination a person's eligibility to possess firearms or explosives in accordance with the federal law.
Who Is Ineligible to Buy Handguns
When a licensed federal handgun dealer runs a background check on a potential handgun buyer, the NICS system returns information on individuals who:
'Denied Persons File'
According to the FBI, states must provide to the NICS Index information on people declared mentally ill "including supporting documentation to prove an individual was adjudicated as a mental defective or involuntarily committed for treatment" to be included in the system's "Mental Defective File."
Some states and jurisdictions have privacy laws that prohibit the release or sharing of mental health information. In those cases, "states can provide information for inclusion in the Denied Persons File of NICS with no specifics on the mental health issue," which would go into the NICS index, the FBI says.
Only 22 States Participate
As of April 2007, only 22 states submit mental health information for the NICS database. Those states are Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maryland, Michigan, Missouri, New Hampshire, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, South Carolina, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, Washington and Wyoming.
Yes, Virginia is one of the participating states. The Commonwealth of Virginia has entered over 80,000 mental health records into the NICS index, along with over 104,000 into the Denied Persons File, as of April 2007.
Virginia Leads in Reporting
According to the FBI, Virginia is the leading state in reporting mental defective entries for the NICS index.
Yet a 23-year-old Virginia Tech student with a history of aberrant behavior and mental health issues was able to walk into a gun dealer and easily purchase two automatic handguns and slaughter 32 of his fellow students and teachers.
If someone has made their mind up to commit such a heinous act, all the gun-control laws in the world will not stop them.
Source: FBI Press Release
And, most of the illegal guns on the street are sold by people who pass these so-called checks.
Handgun Background Check System Has Loopholes
System Only as Good as Submitted Information
By Charles Montaldo
The FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System, established by the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993, works if the individual states submit all of the data into the system. Otherwise, people considered too dangerous to own handguns can buy them with few problems.
In the aftermath of the April 16, 2007 massacre at Virginia Tech, the deadliest shooting spree in U.S. History, it was discovered that Cho Seung-Hui had been determined to be mentally ill and a danger to himself and others. In spite of that court ruling and an order to undergo a psychological evaluation, Cho was able to purchase the handguns he used to shoot 32 people and himself from a licensed gun dealer.
The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) is designed to stop someone like Cho from purchasing handguns. NICS interfaces with the National Crime Information Center (NCIC) and the Interstate Identification Index (III) to determination a person's eligibility to possess firearms or explosives in accordance with the federal law.
Who Is Ineligible to Buy Handguns
When a licensed federal handgun dealer runs a background check on a potential handgun buyer, the NICS system returns information on individuals who:
- Dishonorably discharged from the Armed Forces.
- Are unlawful users of or addicted to a controlled substance.
- Have been adjudicated as a mental defective or been committed to a mental institution.
- Are illegal or unlawful aliens.
- Have renounced their U.S. citizenship.
'Denied Persons File'
According to the FBI, states must provide to the NICS Index information on people declared mentally ill "including supporting documentation to prove an individual was adjudicated as a mental defective or involuntarily committed for treatment" to be included in the system's "Mental Defective File."
Some states and jurisdictions have privacy laws that prohibit the release or sharing of mental health information. In those cases, "states can provide information for inclusion in the Denied Persons File of NICS with no specifics on the mental health issue," which would go into the NICS index, the FBI says.
Only 22 States Participate
As of April 2007, only 22 states submit mental health information for the NICS database. Those states are Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maryland, Michigan, Missouri, New Hampshire, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, South Carolina, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, Washington and Wyoming.
Yes, Virginia is one of the participating states. The Commonwealth of Virginia has entered over 80,000 mental health records into the NICS index, along with over 104,000 into the Denied Persons File, as of April 2007.
Virginia Leads in Reporting
According to the FBI, Virginia is the leading state in reporting mental defective entries for the NICS index.
Yet a 23-year-old Virginia Tech student with a history of aberrant behavior and mental health issues was able to walk into a gun dealer and easily purchase two automatic handguns and slaughter 32 of his fellow students and teachers.
If someone has made their mind up to commit such a heinous act, all the gun-control laws in the world will not stop them.
Source: FBI Press Release
And now in 2014 if the state wanted to destroy your neighborhood they send an unmanned drone piloted by someone 500 miles away. Your guns can't fight that.
If your black neighborhood is stockpiling weapons to fight the government once they turn evil, that's one thing (a crazy thing, but a thing). That still doesn't mean that every emotionally unstable pinhead in said hood should walk around all day with a concealed firearm. He is like 40x more likely to shoot a cousin than a legit bad guy. He's more likely to BECOME the same bad guy he claims to campaign against (than to head off a robbery or something).
I'm not suggesting fighting the marine corp or anything, i'm just saying the cost of being unarmed is much higher when things do go bad.Countries that have banned guns have seen a rise in crime, and we need to keep that in mind as well, when talking about how bad the crime is now with guns.
I personally dont see guns as anything more than a tool. Like a hammer or axe
Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson
I dont have a afro i have a amerifro
dis is librul properganda noncense. if more real amuricans starded shootin bla thugs we cood get dis c*ntry back on da rite track.
Hood Critic
The Power Circle
But they won't tell you that the majority of those increased firearm murders were committed with firearms that were illegally obtained.
Nor will they tell you the sample size or the selective neighborhoods these additional murders took place in.
Nor will they tell you the sample size or the selective neighborhoods these additional murders took place in.
Ah gun statistics
The most bullshyt of all statistics
Right o I'm more a gut feeling type of guy
