Mike Huckabee: Women don't need 'Uncle Sugar'

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keep alienating women two years before a woman runs for president against you, brehs

How is it "alienating women" for Mike Huckabee to criticize the Democrats' messaging toward women? Everything he said was true. The Democrats do treat women as though they are helpless and dependent on government to control their libido.

Don't you remember this Obamacare ad that everyone was talking about a few months ago?





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That is a legitimate ad that a liberal group is using to encourage young people to sign up for Obamacare. The Democrats are targeting their base of low information voters and trying to convince them that free birth control is the most pressing issue they face. Meanwhile on the issues that really matter to women (job creation, education, health care) the Obama administration has been a complete and abject failure.
 
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the hell should the government pay for condoms or birth control for ratchet hoes lol

granted its probably not a big expense and probably would prevent even worse expenses the government will have to pay for anyway like welfare and helping to provide for the children they bring into the world

people can disagree on whether the government should provide for contraception ...but being mad about the uncle sugar comment come on you know thats fake outrage lol you don't give a fukk about that comment be real you know damn well that doesn't offend any of you

rather pay for contraception than babies.
 

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Yes, exactly. Why should the government protect our property rights or waste money on police? It's an insult to people's capacity to protect themselves and their possessions. Why should the government provide public schools? It's an insult to children's ability to educate themselves. And why should the government give people lawyers in court if they can't afford one? It's an insult to their intelligence and capacity to legally defend themselves. Liberals' infantilizing, patronizing, nanny attitude is disgusting! How dare they tell us what we can't do!

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You are really comparing free birth control with legitimate government functions like police and schools?

Why stop at the government mandating $10 birth control pills every month? Why not mandatory toilet paper or deodorant or cereal?

Even by the standards of liberals this is inane.
 

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Duke has been Rush limbaugh with a smile for the longest. Hes made a nice career being the far right Mr. Rogers for a minute.
thats why he's SO dangerous.

Dude will say the most ridiculous things with the cleanest smile youve ever seen.

You just hate to hate him.
 

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the hell should the government pay for condoms or birth control for ratchet hoes lol

granted its probably not a big expense and probably would prevent even worse expenses the government will have to pay for anyway like welfare and helping to provide for the children they bring into the world

people can disagree on whether the government should provide for contraception ...but being mad about the uncle sugar comment come on you know thats fake outrage lol you don't give a fukk about that comment be real you know damn well that doesn't offend any of you

It was a Pavlovian response. Liberals heard a social conservative talking about women and birth control and knew they were supposed to be outraged. They just couldn't figure out what exactly they were supposed to be outraged about.
 

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You are really comparing free birth control with legitimate government functions like police and schools?

Why stop at the government mandating $10 birth control pills every month? Why not mandatory toilet paper or deodorant or cereal?

Even by the standards of liberals this is inane.

Define "legitimate"...

And you in your infinite wisdom compare birth control to toilet paper and cereal.

And how is this debate being framed anyway? I hope this isnt another salvo in the b*stardization of Sandra Fluke's birth control vis a vis insurance coverage argument.... You know the same premiums that cover viagra.
 

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How is it "alienating women" for Mike Huckabee to criticize the Democrats' messaging toward women? Everything he said was true. The Democrats do treat women as though they are helpless and dependent on government to control their libido.

Don't you remember this Obamacare ad that everyone was talking about a few months ago?





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That is a legitimate ad that a liberal group is using to encourage young people to sign up for Obamacare. The Democrats are targeting their base of low information voters and trying to convince them that free birth control is the most pressing issue they face. Meanwhile on the issues that really matter to women (job creation, education, health care) the Obama administration has been a complete and abject failure.

I don't like the ad, but to be fair it was created by a group in Colorado, not the US government.

The problem the GOP has is that they don't seem to understand birth control is used for a variety of health related issues, not just avoiding pregnancy. Middle aged women take it for menopause for instance. It's not particularly different from the variety of prescriptions employer healthcare plans cover.

So when MOST women see that birth control is being covered they like it. Yet when these GOP idiots hear it they automatically jump to "aha, slut pills." As I said, good luck with that. It's why Obama destroyed Romney with women, and why Hillary will destroy whoever the GOP nominee is in 2016. Get used to losing brehs.
 

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And you in your infinite wisdom compare birth control to toilet paper and cereal.

I spend more money per month on cereal than what it costs for one month of birth control. The idea that birth control is a right and that women need other people to provide them with it is a joke.



And how is this debate being framed anyway? I hope this isnt another salvo in the b*stardization of Sandra Fluke's birth control vis a vis insurance coverage argument.... You know the same premiums that cover viagra.

Is there a law that mandates that insurers cover Viagra? That is what the debate is over. Don't force employers or insurers to provide birth control or Viagra against their will. If they choose to provide it then fine.

Forcing organizations to provide birth control or anything else that violates their religious principles is a disgrace. Liberals need to understand that we have religious freedom in this country and that they can't force their beliefs on everyone else.
 

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You are really comparing free birth control with legitimate government functions like police and schools?

Why stop at the government mandating $10 birth control pills every month? Why not mandatory toilet paper or deodorant or cereal?

Even by the standards of liberals this is inane.

So first you try and sever the connection between birth control and "legitimate government functions" like police and schools, and then you try and equate birth control with deodorant and cereal? :skip:


First of all, get off the "standards of liberals" nonsense. Republicans, including Huckabee himself, who, in 2005, signed a law mandating Arkansas insurance plans provide contraception coverage, including church-affiliated organizations, were more than happy to embrace the idea that government should provide contraception to women all through the Clinton and Bush administrations. As the LA Times notes, "Twenty-two states have laws or regulations that resemble, at least in part, the Obama administration's original rule. More than a third had some Republican support." Even President Bush himself never challenged the idea when he encountered the potential federal mandate. They're just opposing it now to try and stake out a contrarian niche for themselves, and because when people like Huckabee hit the national spotlight, all their moderation and temperance is replaced with fanatical rhetoric designed to make them stand out and contrast with their opponents.

Now that your feeble straw man has been dealt with, let's get to the point. Abstract notions of the "legitimate functions of government" are utterly meaningless here. Access to birth control prevents unwanted pregnancies, which prevents children having to lead miserable and disadvantaged lives, and also saves massive amounts of taxpayer money. About 50% of all US pregnancies are unintended, so all that bullshyt about infantilizing or patronizing rhetoric is simply misguided- clearly, a massive number of Americans are conceiving without wanting to, regardless of how responsible or mature or independent they might be otherwise, and no amount of pretending that things are fine as they are with no changes can erase that glaring fact. Even people who have access to contraceptives don't always have the incentives to acquire or use them. And of course, we already know that any amount of abstinence-only campaigns won't solve the problem, since it's already been proven that they're ridiculously ineffective at stopping people from having sex. Covering it would go some distance towards solving this problem and save money in the process, and help foster a culture of contraceptive responsibility. Taking this line of argument, this is a relatively simple cost-benefit analysis.

Tell me, does not having access to deodorant cause such disastrous consequences? As for cereal- food stamps exist, if you weren't aware, and actually serve the function you're aiming at with the cereal example.

Second, I'm fine with universal healthcare, and so I find this a civilized option under those terms, too.
 
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So first you try and sever the connection between birth control and "legitimate government functions" like police and schools, and then you try and equate birth control with deodorant and cereal? :skip:


First of all, get off the "standards of liberals" nonsense. Republicans, including Huckabee himself, who, in 2005, signed a law mandating Arkansas insurance plans provide contraception coverage, including church-affiliated organizations, were more than happy to embrace the idea that government should provide contraception to women all through the Clinton and Bush administrations. As the LA Times notes, "Twenty-two states have laws or regulations that resemble, at least in part, the Obama administration's original rule. More than a third had some Republican support." Even President Bush himself never challenged the idea when he encountered the potential federal mandate. They're just opposing it now to try and stake out a contrarian niche for themselves, and because when people like Huckabee hit the national spotlight, all their moderation and temperance is replaced with fanatical rhetoric designed to make them stand out and contrast with their opponents.

That is a nice write up, but Huckabee has never said that he opposes government laws that mandate birth control coverage. In fact he was just interviewed on Fox News and brought up that Arkansas law as proof of that. Instead, the point of Huckabee's speech was that Democrats play up the birth control issue in order to distract from their failures on more important issues like jobs, education, etc. I am the one who is making the argument against government mandates.

Now that your feeble straw man has been dealt with, let's get to the point. Abstract notions of the "legitimate functions of government" are utterly meaningless here. Access to birth control prevents unwanted pregnancies, which prevents children having to lead miserable and disadvantaged lives, and also saves massive amounts of taxpayer money. About 50% of all US pregnancies are unintended, so all that bullshyt about infantilizing or patronizing rhetoric is simply misguided- clearly, a massive number of Americans are conceiving without wanting to, regardless of how responsible or mature or independent they might be otherwise, and no amount of pretending that things are fine as they are with no changes can erase that glaring fact. Even people who have access to contraceptives don't always have the incentives to acquire or use them. And of course, we already know that any amount of abstinence-only campaigns won't solve the problem, since it's already been proven that they're ridiculously ineffective at stopping people from having sex. Covering it would go some distance towards solving this problem and save money in the process, and help foster a culture of contraceptive responsibility. Taking this line of argument, this is a relatively simple cost-benefit analysis.
Tell me, does not having access to deodorant cause such disastrous consequences? As for cereal- food stamps exist, if you weren't aware, and actually serve the function you're aiming at with the cereal example.
Second, I'm fine with universal healthcare, and so I find this a civilized option under those terms, too.

Again, very few conservatives are against birth control. Nobody denies that birth control prevents unwanted pregnancies You are going off on a tangent that is unrelated to anything that is being discussed. My argument is that because birth control is so inexpensive and because it is so widely available, there is no need to mandate its coverage by insurers. There is definitely no need to force religious organizations to violate their religious principles in providing birth control.

Once again, ME not providing YOU with birth control is not denying you access to birth control. You are perfectly free to get birth control on your own. The fact of the matter is that birth control is widely available to everyone in America.
 
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