Michael fassbender and David fincher upcoming movie "The killer"

[ThirdAct]

Again, so glad I saw this in theaters, and took the whole day to see it in Westwood, and not watch on Netflix

The first 20 minutes or so was mesmerizing, even if I had read enough, maybe too much, to know what was going to happen. The narration, the music, the tension, the way Fincher saw and directed Paris in the morning, reminded me of being there and wandering the streets to get coffee. The color scheme, of the way the light looked, the way he shot that apartment at night. When How Soon Is Now comes on, that was the best 3 minutes sequence I have seen all year, no question. That was sit up in your seat and stare good. I only even know The Smiths from TV show montages and a Saint Laurent T Shirt, but that was some of the best use of music I have seen in years.

The tension between that song playing, and him trying to find his shot, find his right heart rate, and the cuts to his headphones playing was excellent. The fall out maybe even more masterful, the procedure of ditching the phones, the gun, and flying right out, after changing in some dingy bathroom, the shooting of that scene was classic Fincher, with the hues of yellow and black. Grimy and visceral. The disconnected walk away scenes, the paranoia of eyeing the guy, and switching flights, hiding in the airport hotel.

Just a masterfully done exercise in style. The way he shot the Dominican Republic. The way the palm trees sway in the wind. There's some flaws in plot and direction, and the genre movie thing probably goes a little too far. Fight scene is 60% too long. But, what a movie. The Tilda Swinton scenes. The conclusion. I'll take Fincher's word that there's not a whole lot of message or deeper themes, it's just a pure genre exercise, like Panic Room, or The Game.

was there anything I missed with the girlfriend at the end?

Spoiler

The girlfriend plot point is a bit of a head scratcher. I mean she's the catalyst for The Killer's whole revenge tour but she seems like such an afterthought in the film and she's only in like two scenes tops. But I guess they were really trying to kill him and just roughed her up because she was a ride or die who wouldn't give him up. But really he knew he had to kill them before they got him.

I definitely think the movie is Fincher's commentary on capitalism and his own career in becoming a hired gun for Netflix. I read a good comment on another site that I'll copy and paste here:

"Fincher seems to set his aim at the gig economy. The increasing impersonal nature of our society in a world in which most jobs are farmed off to third party companies who could care less about the quality of the work. It's no coincidence that the place where The Killer goes to orchestrate the first murder is a We-Work. It's why Q-Tip and Florida Man, despite being woefully mismatched, are sent to do a job. No wonder it goes to complete shyt. No one cares about the quality of the work. A running theme is that whenever The Killer encounters the people who tried to kill him, they all deflect responsibility. It's not their faults. They're just doing a job. It's nothing personal. Even murder is just another thing you farm out to."

I also thinks that why The Killer spares the rich man who ordered the first hit at the end. He threatens him but still wants the option of getting future jobs. It's like in the end the money always wins. A 180 from Fight Club where Fincher fantasized about killing capitalism off - in The Killer, nothing can kill capitalism - not even a ruthless killing machine.

 

[re'up]

Spoiler

The girlfriend plot point is a bit of a head scratcher. I mean she's the catalyst for The Killer's whole revenge tour but she seems like such an afterthought in the film and she's only in like two scenes tops. But I guess they were really trying to kill him and just roughed her up because she was a ride or die who wouldn't give him up. But really he knew he had to kill them before they got him.

I definitely think the movie is Fincher's commentary on capitalism and his own career in becoming a hired gun for Netflix. I read a good comment on another site that I'll copy and paste here:

"Fincher seems to set his aim at the gig economy. The increasing impersonal nature of our society in a world in which most jobs are farmed off to third party companies who could care less about the quality of the work. It's no coincidence that the place where The Killer goes to orchestrate the first murder is a We-Work. It's why Q-Tip and Florida Man, despite being woefully mismatched, are sent to do a job. No wonder it goes to complete shyt. No one cares about the quality of the work. A running theme is that whenever The Killer encounters the people who tried to kill him, they all deflect responsibility. It's not their faults. They're just doing a job. It's nothing personal. Even murder is just another thing you farm out to."

I also thinks that why The Killer spares the rich man who ordered the first hit at the end. He threatens him but still wants the option of getting future jobs. It's like in the end the money always wins. A 180 from Fight Club where Fincher fantasized about killing capitalism off - in The Killer, nothing can kill capitalism - not even a ruthless killing machine.

I think he throws some shots in there, but they are just kind of comments and themes, rather than the entire thing being a metaphor, it's based on some comic from like 25 years ago. And fans are notorious for these kinds of fan fictions. Read a similar piece on The Ringer, it's fascinating writing and theories, but if you take Fincher at his word, it's just an exercise in style.

There's some obvious male kind of fantasy on display, which is from the source material, a comic book, the idea of the hyper competent, hyper masculine, well moneyed, disconnected male, who has to protect his girlfriend, who is gorgeous but also loyal and totally dependent on him. I think that's just from it being a comic book, and revenge fantasy. He's not making a commentary on that trope. But, what is the eye twitch about?

 

[Marks]

Spoiler

The girlfriend plot point is a bit of a head scratcher. I mean she's the catalyst for The Killer's whole revenge tour but she seems like such an afterthought in the film and she's only in like two scenes tops. But I guess they were really trying to kill him and just roughed her up because she was a ride or die who wouldn't give him up. But really he knew he had to kill them before they got him.

I definitely think the movie is Fincher's commentary on capitalism and his own career in becoming a hired gun for Netflix. I read a good comment on another site that I'll copy and paste here:

"Fincher seems to set his aim at the gig economy. The increasing impersonal nature of our society in a world in which most jobs are farmed off to third party companies who could care less about the quality of the work. It's no coincidence that the place where The Killer goes to orchestrate the first murder is a We-Work. It's why Q-Tip and Florida Man, despite being woefully mismatched, are sent to do a job. No wonder it goes to complete shyt. No one cares about the quality of the work. A running theme is that whenever The Killer encounters the people who tried to kill him, they all deflect responsibility. It's not their faults. They're just doing a job. It's nothing personal. Even murder is just another thing you farm out to."

I also thinks that why The Killer spares the rich man who ordered the first hit at the end. He threatens him but still wants the option of getting future jobs. It's like in the end the money always wins. A 180 from Fight Club where Fincher fantasized about killing capitalism off - in The Killer, nothing can kill capitalism - not even a ruthless killing machine.

Spoiler

I think all that is backed up with the very last line of narration. When he mentions the need for security being a placebo and how if you can't accept the chaos in front of you, you're one of the many (like him).

I think he throws some shots in there, but they are just kind of comments and themes, rather than the entire thing being a metaphor, it's based on some comic from like 25 years ago. And fans are notorious for these kinds of fan fictions. Read a similar piece on The Ringer, it's fascinating writing and theories, but if you take Fincher at his word, it's just an exercise in style.

There's some obvious male kind of fantasy on display, which is from the source material, a comic book, the idea of the hyper competent, hyper masculine, well moneyed, disconnected male, who has to protect his girlfriend, who is gorgeous but also loyal and totally dependent on him. I think that's just from it being a comic book, and revenge fantasy. He's not making a commentary on that trope. But, what is the eye twitch about?

I think the eye twitch is him giving himself away to the audience. Hes lying to himself or is uncomfortable by the fact that he's just like the rest of us. Afraid, empathetic, insecure etc all the things his cold narration want you to believe he isn't. It's why I think the movie is very much part a comedy.

 

[patscorpio]

Word..watching this tonight bro

this movie was tough!!!!

 

[re'up]

Spoiler

I think all that is backed up with the very last line of narration. When he mentions the need for security being a placebo and how if you can't accept the chaos in front of you, you're one of the many (like him).

I think the eye twitch is him giving himself away to the audience. Hes lying to himself or is uncomfortable by the fact that he's just like the rest of us. Afraid, empathetic, insecure etc all the things his cold narration want you to believe he isn't. It's why I think the movie is very much part a comedy.

That's a good analysis, my thought also was that he's now benched, retired, out of the game, so he now becomes one of the many, right?

Other thoughts:

The score is obviously really dope, those guys are always on point. The contrast between the human emotive, heartache, painfully personal How Soon Is Now, vs the cold melodic taunt score is perfect in that opening sequence.

Having tossed a few phones in my life, usually in an annoymous mall bathroom trash can, those scenes were esp. resonant for me lol

and the hyper observant moments were relatable to me, not like I need it for his purposes, but having hustled for a long time, that paranoia is part of it. Checking your surroundings, learning to read or profile people in an instant.

One part of the final chapter, in the condo, is that he was aware he was on camera in the elevator, and was hitting a high profile target. Thought that played into it too.

Some of the South Florida scenes were so beautiful. the early morning shot

why did he buy the 40? That was a little questionable to me, in terms of maybe unintentional racial theme from an old ass comic book.

he was extending some measured empathy to the woman right? By killing her in that manner, she could assumedly get her family the insurance money. Not that that's all that plausible but in the movie's world.

 

[Marks]

That's a good analysis, my thought also was that he's now benched, retired, out of the game, so he now becomes one of the many, right?

Other thoughts:

The score is obviously really dope, those guys are always on point. The contrast between the human emotive, heartache, painfully personal How Soon Is Now, vs the cold melodic taunt score is perfect in that opening sequence.

Having tossed a few phones in my life, usually in an annoymous mall bathroom trash can, those scenes were esp. resonant for me lol

and the hyper observant moments were relatable to me, not like I need it for his purposes, but having hustled for a long time, that paranoia is part of it. Checking your surroundings, learning to read or profile people in an instant.

One part of the final chapter, in the condo, is that he was aware he was on camera in the elevator, and was hitting a high profile target. Thought that played into it too.

Some of the South Florida scenes were so beautiful. the early morning shot

why did he buy the 40? That was a little questionable to me, in terms of maybe unintentional racial theme from an old ass comic book.

he was extending some measured empathy to the woman right? By killing her in that manner, she could assumedly get her family the insurance money. Not that that's all that plausible but in the movie's world.

40 kinda felt like him trying not to be suspicious since he was only buying sleeping pills and meat lol and yeah the woman was him showing her a little compassion. You can kinda contrast how he did her, vs the other assassin. He knew he couldn't extend anything to her, thats why he didn't even try to help her up.

 

[WIA20XX]

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was there anything I missed with the girlfriend at the end?

As he is becoming one of the many, his eye twitches. Can be interpreted many ways

 

[Knowledge]

Most trash hitman ever. Missed the target and killed the wrong person, burned his employer as a result instead of charging it to the game because of the life he live, then go after the person who hired him in the end. Buddy worse than some of these black businesses out here with the customer service lol

I mean let’s be for real. I had to sit there and listen to this nikka ramble in his own head for 10-15 minutes straight about being perfect and professional and how to be successful only to miss. Then I had to listen to this nikka tell himself to not get attached, don’t get emotional, and trust no one only to get revenge on some business type shyt because he got emotional lol

So in the end, he killed everyone except the one he was hired to kill…..

 

[Piff Perkins]

I thought it was magnificent. Incredibly tense, very well paced, and the dry narration really hammers home the monotony and attention to detail needed to survive. Which makes the girlfriend plot stick out even more like a sore thumb The ticking at the end, his eye twitching, leaving the billionaire alive....it's almost as if he knows his time is almost up and is willing to accept that inevitability in exchange for a few moments of peace.

Only thing I didn't like was the prolonged fight scene, which felt like something out of a different film entirely.

 

[KnickstapeCity]

Most trash hitman ever. Missed the target and killed the wrong person, burned his employer as a result instead of charging it to the game because of the life he live, then go after the person who hired him in the end. Buddy worse than some of these black businesses out here with the customer service lol

I mean let’s be for real. I had to sit there and listen to this nikka ramble in his own head for 10-15 minutes straight about being perfect and professional and how to be successful only to miss. Then I had to listen to this nikka tell himself to not get attached, don’t get emotional, and trust no one only to get revenge on some business type shyt because he got emotional lol

So in the end, he killed everyone except the one he was hired to kill…..

My nikka Big Dikk Knowledge summed it up perfectly.

 

[mag357]

Most trash hitman ever. Missed the target and killed the wrong person, burned his employer as a result instead of charging it to the game because of the life he live, then go after the person who hired him in the end. Buddy worse than some of these black businesses out here with the customer service lol

I mean let’s be for real. I had to sit there and listen to this nikka ramble in his own head for 10-15 minutes straight about being perfect and professional and how to be successful only to miss. Then I had to listen to this nikka tell himself to not get attached, don’t get emotional, and trust no one only to get revenge on some business type shyt because he got emotional lol

So in the end, he killed everyone except the one he was hired to kill…..

Thank you bro..
Muthafukking thank you.

First 10 minutes...
I'm like ohh... this nikka talking that real shyt. This gonna be good.


Then everything he did after that was not like the big shyt he was saying in the beginning.

I didn't make it pass 20mins of the movie before I turned that shyt off

 

[KnickstapeCity]

Thank you bro..
Muthafukking thank you.

First 10 minutes...
I'm like owe this nikka talking that real shyt. This gonna be good.


Then everything he did after that was not like the big shyt he was saying in the beginning.

I didn't make it pass 20mins of the movie before I turned that shyt off

Nah… This breh got a huge dikk. I knew that nikka was on some bullshyt when he missed his target and killed the woman but I still watched the whole thing because I finish everything I start.

 

[KnickstapeCity]

@Knowledge @mag357 Also, why did that cac feel the need to kill the cab driver?

 

[O.Red]

I don't know if it was an inside joke for him to be so bad at his job while doing all this perfect routine talk but

Nice change of pace I guess? it was an ok movie. Definitely low on the Fincher tier

Also Tilda Swinton got the GOAT suddenly scared white woman face

 

[KnickstapeCity]

I don't know if it was an inside joke for him to be so bad at his job while doing all this perfect routine talk but

Nice change of pace I guess?

That cac fakkit thought he was the Kobe Bryant of assassins but he was Thabo Sefolosha at best.