Mercatus Study Finds 'Medicare for All' Saves $2 Trillion over 10 years!

[the cac mamba]

We could start with the military industrial complex.

good, cut the pentagon's budget in half out military budget is disgusting

you know what they have to do politically though, is just stop giving it more money. this stupid fukkin country hears "cut military spending" and they actually think it would make them less safe you cant get elected running on that

 

[ColdSlither]

good, cut the pentagon's budget in half out military budget is disgusting

you know what they have to do politically though, is just stop giving it more money. this stupid fukkin country hears "cut military spending" and they actually think it would make them less safe you cant get elected running on that

Well we're in the good US of A. Everything is super sized. I don't think that Russia's military budget is even 1/4 of what we spend, yet we don't want to set off World War III with them in Syria. Yet this country thinks that a larger military budget makes us safer

 

[Perfectson]

Medicare is not going broke. That’s a right wing lie.

The system we have right now is not sustainable. You can’t pay 20% of GDP on healthcare and have 15% of the population not covered. You can’t have the price gouging existing.

Single payer does require overhauls and yes providers will be hit. Drug companies will be reigned in.

This isn’t rocket science. $32 trillion over 10 years for M4All is better than $40 trillion+ over 10 years with this system.

False math, also here it is , feel free to read the trustee report.

Of course itnwont go bankrupt Congress will find someone way to fund it but this progressive rhetoric of Medicare working and being a great solution is bullshyt and isn't based in any fact at all. It's like saying the post office is a great business too.. Yeah they deliver mail but they lose money on every letter sent

No, Medicare Won't Go Broke In 2026. Yes, It Will Cost A Lot More Money

 

[FAH1223]

 

[88m3]

@FAH1223 this is why we will nationalize them

 

[Savvir]

Because old people and war wounded are the easiest demos to serve

Man foh

Do you actually know any veterans who rely on the VA???

 

[FAH1223]

@FAH1223 this is why we will nationalize them

I wouldn't mind a UK style NHS in that case

 

[88m3]

I wouldn't mind a UK style NHS in that case

It would solve a lot of our issues and take pressure off state, city, and rural hospitals.

 

[FAH1223]

 

[FAH1223]

 

[HellRell804]

I've been saying this forever and all I get back is that I "hate poor people" or I'm "sticking up for rich people"

Hospital pricing is straight up predatory. They don't even provide set numbers for how much services and medication costs because they work with the insurance companies to basically decide how much they can get you for.

If hospitals weren't dependent on insurance and had to abide by the laws of competition and fair pricing, we wouldn't even need universal healthcare, people could afford it, and Medicare and Medicaid would be more cost effective for taxpayers to cover the people who really need free healthcare: the elderly, children, and the disabled.

This same principle applies to education too. The moment student loans became federally backed, administrative costs and tuition skyrocketed, making higher education the under effective, over expensive mess it currently is.

And I really dont think more government intervention is the answer

 

[FAH1223]

I've been saying this forever and all I get back is that I "hate poor people" or I'm "sticking up for rich people"

Hospital pricing is straight up predatory. They don't even provide set numbers for how much services and medication costs because they work with the insurance companies to basically decide how much they can get you for.

If hospitals weren't dependent on insurance and had to abide by the laws of competition and fair pricing, we wouldn't even need universal healthcare, people could afford it, and Medicare and Medicaid would be more cost effective for taxpayers to cover the people who really need free healthcare: the elderly, children, and the disabled.

This same principle applies to education too. The moment student loans became federally backed, administrative costs and tuition skyrocketed, making higher education the under effective, over expensive mess it currently is.

And I really dont think more government intervention is the answer

You’d need government to control pricing. Have Medicare set rates or set up all payer rate setting.

 

[HellRell804]

You’d need government to control pricing. Have Medicare set rates or set up all payer rate setting.

Then explain why urgent care centers started opening up and providing services for a fraction of the cost. I can go to concentra or patient's first and see a doctor for 50 bucks without insurance when that same visit to an ER or my primary care physician would cost substantially more

 

[FAH1223]

Then explain why urgent care centers started opening up and providing services for a fraction of the cost. I can go to concentra or patient's first and see a doctor for 50 bucks without insurance when that same visit to an ER or my primary care physician would cost substantially more

It’s cause people who are really sick shouldn’t have have to be bankrupt when they have to stay in hospital for X amount of time.

No one can afford to get sick cause of price gouging. The government has to step in. It has that power but the greed of making more and more profit is driving all the monopolization.

 

[HellRell804]

It’s cause people who are really sick shouldn’t have have to be bankrupt when they have to stay in hospital for X amount of time.

No one can afford to get sick cause of price gouging. The government has to step in. It has that power but the greed of making more and more profit is driving all the monopolization.

But the government stepping in is why the price gouging is so egregious. The regulatory hoops to open a private hospital is so crazy that only big companies like bon secours can actually afford to do it.

We had a state run hospital out here that had a terrible reputation and awful service. People would routinely drive an extra 30 or 40 minutes to go to a better hospital. When Bons Secours brought the hospital the service and reputation improved greatly.

A group of talented doctors and surgeons should be able to open competing hospitals, instead we get mandates that everyone has to pay insurance to offset the people who cant afford the predatory pricing.

We have enough evidence throughout the years to see that the government being involved in anything

1. Opens the door for corruption since all politicians are for sale.

2. Becomes terribly inefficient because career politicians rarely know about the businesses they "regulate" and end up deferring to people who check the right boxes or align with them politically, not the best people for the job.

And 3. The guaranteed money from the government creates an atmosphere of free money (like Defense contracting), and useless administrative positions are created and salaries skyrocket