Men that are feminist are more likely to be perceived as weak, feminine, and gay, even by women

[KidJSoul]

APA PsycNet

Be feminist brehs

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Abstract
Gender egalitarian men are vital for women’s progress, yet attitudes toward and beliefs about them are underinvestigated. In three experiments, women liked gender egalitarian men more so than men did, but both genders stigmatized them as more feminine, weak, and likely to be gay, compared with control male targets. This was true even when the gender egalitarian was an actual presidential candidate for the American Psychological Association (Experiment 3). We examined whether stigmatization was due to (a) gender egalitarians’ presumed affiliations with women and/or gay men (stigma-by-association); (b) the gay male feminist stereotype; or (c) a threat to men’s gender identity. Results supported stigma-by-association, but only for affiliations with women (not gay men). The gay male feminist stereotype was robust, but did not account for stigmatization, and men’s reactions to male gender egalitarians were independent of their gender identity. Implications of these findings for gender equality are discussed. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2017 APA, all rights reserved)"

Not but in all honesty I want a serious discussion about this from a sociological perspective

We know how men are typecast as being more aggressive and violent than women, and we have discussions about how men treat women, and power and patriarchy and toxic masculinity and all that shyt.

We never talk about this tho: the social incentive. Even in my relationships or even just friendships with women , they've always had more a "spark" when I was being brash and not giving a fukk about being feminist.

We all know how some high-earning women view men who earn less than them .

I'm not saying that you should be regressive and treat women like shyt tho

 

[Gold]

Fax.

The social structure exists for a reason. Every time u try to reset it... it natural falls back into the exact same order.

Women value security (of all types), men value respect.

People need to stop trying to reinvent the wheel and just accept that we are what we are at the end of the day.







Gmb

 

[Mastamimd]

If they were being honest with you they'd tell you this themselves

 

[karim]

APA PsycNet

Be feminist brehs

"
Abstract
Gender egalitarian men are vital for women’s progress, yet attitudes toward and beliefs about them are underinvestigated. In three experiments, women liked gender egalitarian men more so than men did, but both genders stigmatized them as more feminine, weak, and likely to be gay, compared with control male targets. This was true even when the gender egalitarian was an actual presidential candidate for the American Psychological Association (Experiment 3). We examined whether stigmatization was due to (a) gender egalitarians’ presumed affiliations with women and/or gay men (stigma-by-association); (b) the gay male feminist stereotype; or (c) a threat to men’s gender identity. Results supported stigma-by-association, but only for affiliations with women (not gay men). The gay male feminist stereotype was robust, but did not account for stigmatization, and men’s reactions to male gender egalitarians were independent of their gender identity. Implications of these findings for gender equality are discussed. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2017 APA, all rights reserved)"

Not but in all honesty I want a serious discussion about this from a sociological perspective

We know how men are typecast as being more aggressive and violent than women, and we have discussions about how men treat women, and power and patriarchy and toxic masculinity and all that shyt.

We never talk about this tho: the social incentive. Even in my relationships or even just friendships with women , they've always had more a "spark" when I was being brash and not giving a fukk about being feminist.

We all know how some high-earning women view men who earn less than them .

I'm not saying that you should be regressive and treat women like shyt tho

Woman internalize patriarchical gender roles just as much as men do, after all, we're all socialized into it. The problem is, that (popular) feminist discourse mostly questions female gender roles, while large parts of male gender roles are only questioned in so far, as that men should treat woman as equals, but not in so far as what that equality means for womans expectations towards men.

 

[OG Talk]

Most women don’t respect pandering men that patronize them.

Plus a lot of them dudes are secret predators and just use progressive feminism as a way to manipulate hoes.

 

[Blankthawtz]

 

[Ziggiy]

Women want masculine men…


I’m SHOCKED

 

[Ziggiy]

Most women don’t respect pandering men that patronize them.

Plus a lot of them dudes are secret predators and just use progressive feminism as a way to manipulate hoes.

Joss Whedon
Derek Jaxson

 

[tuckgod]

Facts.

 

[Prynce]

Fax.

The social structure exists for a reason. Every time u try to reset it... it natural falls back into the exact same order.

Women value security (of all types), men value respect.

People need to stop trying to reinvent the wheel and just accept that we are what we are at the end of the day.







Gmb

That’s not how social dynamics work or how it is set up in every society

y’all just like patriarchy and that’s okay

but this notion that women have always been subservient in every culture in human history is false other dynamics make it that way

in some cultures women held power and I mean some of the stereotypical masculines one too

women ruled Sparta not men

 

[tuckgod]

Fax.

The social structure exists for a reason. Every time u try to reset it... it natural falls back into the exact same order.

Women value security (of all types), men value respect.

People need to stop trying to reinvent the wheel and just accept that we are what we are at the end of the day.







Gmb

100%

 

[Johnny Kilroy]

Water is.... nm yall ain’t ready

 

[CreepyMcCreeperson]

Are feminists asking for anything on a systemic level other than equal pay and healthcare?

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

It's crazy how women want one thing but validate a whole other. Also speaking of social incentive, I had an obvious light bulb moment a few weeks ago; being the most morally progressive person you can be isn't the most rewarding path to take in life lol(and in this case you're screwing yourself out of p*ssy by being a pandering feminist). There is a balance to be found, especially if what you want and your nature is coming at great odds with your morality. In regards to each sex, I've really stepped back from the "most of our differences stem from how we're socialized" train of thought too recently. I think a good chunk of our differences do just come down to nature; men and women are just way too quick to settle into certain roles once they let their guard down for me to believe anything else.

 

[Gold]

That’s not how social dynamics work or how it is set up in every society

y’all just like patriarchy and that’s okay

but this notion that women have always been subservient in every culture in human history is false other dynamics make it that way

in some cultures women held power and I mean some of the stereotypical masculines one too

women ruled Sparta not men

So you misunderstood what i said it seems.

I said women have always valued security, and men have always valued respect. Show me a culture where men were ok being disrespected.

Show me a culture where women did not basically live their entire lives for the sole purpose of gaining security (via marriage, childbirth, status, etc).

Lets use your sparta example. Spartan women were able get wealth, keep a family name, get educated, own property etc....

Spartan men spent all their time protecting the women and fighting wars.

That sounds like men providing women security to me...

You think a feminist man who refused to fight or sire children would have been welcomed in Spartan culture ??


A queen has been the societal figurehead of England for damn near 70 years, and it has had basically zero influence on changing the way men and women of England naturally behave towards one and another