MBDTF was the worst thing to ever happen to hip hop? True or False?

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Nah, OutKast never had fans checking Rollingstone or Metacritic to validate their music. Kanye, on the other hand, did. While Kast were critical darlings, a lot of us weren't checking mainstream media for their opinions of the music. Them getting 5 mics in The Source was where it stopped.

With Kanye, a lot of fans started this obsession with everything, but the music. It was about Metacritic, the jnfluence, and trying to push him into GOAT conversations. I remember people saying Kanye was the GOAT producer based on this album, all while bashing Dre for using co-producers. I was like, "Have you looked at the production credits for MBDTF". And it was people that were saying Kanye was a genius for putting all those people on "All of the Lights" and people actually trying to make out who was singing which parts.

Kanye was chasing A BUNCH of white mainstream validation in a way even Pharrell wasn’t.

Even had Hov trying to show he’s “one of the guys”

Its just nasty work in retrospect

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Album was lame from the day it came out and a whole bunch of white people and hipster blogs gassed it up.

CD and LR was that idiots best albums. 808s is probably right under those.

When people say MBDTF is his best album anything they say after that I tune out. You’re either young or a vulture. Cause if you was there from the beginning you would never put that trash above his first 2 albums.

Full agree.

It put Kanye in a different realm but creatively he took some bad habits that he may not have fully recovered from…you see glimpses but he’s addicted to some other level of fame

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The snobbish/elitist take has been here for a bit, but this album was probably the defining line that made it more apparent that there were outsiders who only cared for a small minority of artists/albums. Is that the worst thing? No. what made an album a classic in the past most likely would not apply today. tastes change and the outsiders want something super different to latch onto.

we went from skits in the 80s to concept albums in the late 90s to whatever high-level themes Kanye/KDot/Tyler/Travis/etc. are doing. And I anticipate artists will continue to push boundaries in the future

Tyler is more of a Pharrell kid…but you’ll get Travis for sure.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

It's not even accurate to attribute this to MBDTF

This realistically started when OutKast blew up and got more experimental. You see a lot of the outsider "I don't listen to rap but" snob takes regarding the the dichotomy of Big Boi and Dre

I'll always defend Big Boi because although Dre is a unicorn, Big Boi is an incredible rapper and more than held his own. But you see the ways Big Boi is constantly shytted on by hipsters and suburban black folks because he's not deemed as "artistic" as Dre. Andre 3000 was used as pretentious snob ammunition way before Kanye was

Everything in that post said about MBDTF can be said about The Love Below

The Love Below wasn’t trying to appeal to people who dont like rap or R&B though. It just did...

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The correct answer is cacs and/or diddy

Diddy didn’t chase avant garde shyt like that. Not even that badly with Last Train to Paris...

 

[god shamgod]

Nwa and the introduction of “gangsta rap”the worst thing to ever happen to hip hop if we’re gonna be real

 

[O.Red]

The Love Below wasn’t trying to appeal to people who dont like rap or R&B though. It just did...

I don't understand why you're making this point. It's not measurable by any standard

And don't get it fukked up, even for all the "artsy" aesthetics surrounding MBDTF, at its core that shyt is a boom bap album. It seems like nikkas were more cognizant of this when the album came out and during Good Fridays

MBDTF is aggressively built around beats and bars minimalism, more than any other Kanye album