(Mature discussion) Let's talk about rape/death penalty

[Dooby]

(Didn't wanna derail other thread)

Does rape justify the death penalty?

Rape - Person lives on and can learn to "get over" their traumatizing experience.

Death - As we know it that person will no longer exist. They're gone forever.

The death penalty in the United States is used almost exclusively for the crime of murder.

In 1977, the U.S. Supreme Court in Coker v. Georgia, 433 U.S. 584, held that the death penalty for the rape of an adult was "grossly disproportionate" and an "excessive punishment," and hence was unconstitutional under the Eighth Amendment.

What really justifies death, aka CAPITAL punishment, besides murder?

Speak on it.

 

[Hacksaw Jim Thuggin]

Does rape justify the death penalty?

case by case...
examples:

1. victim is a minor
2. victim was repeatedly raped
3. how bad was victim assaulted....were they beat to/or near death...was a weapon used?

Rape - Person lives on and can learn to "get over" their traumatizing experience.

Death - As we know it that person will no longer exist. They're gone forever.

The death penalty in the United States is used almost exclusively for the crime of murder.

In 1977, the U.S. Supreme Court in Coker v. Georgia, 433 U.S. 584, held that the death penalty for the rape of an adult was "grossly disproportionate" and an "excessive punishment," and hence was unconstitutional under the Eighth Amendment.

What really justifies death, aka CAPITAL punishment, besides murder?

rape/molestation of a child deserves death IMO

 

[Dooby]

Does rape justify the death penalty?

case by case...
examples:

1. victim is a minor
2. victim was repeatedly raped
3. how bad was victim assaulted....were they beat to/or near death...was a weapon used?

Rape - Person lives on and can learn to "get over" their traumatizing experience.

Death - As we know it that person will no longer exist. They're gone forever.

The death penalty in the United States is used almost exclusively for the crime of murder.

In 1977, the U.S. Supreme Court in Coker v. Georgia, 433 U.S. 584, held that the death penalty for the rape of an adult was "grossly disproportionate" and an "excessive punishment," and hence was unconstitutional under the Eighth Amendment.

What really justifies death, aka CAPITAL punishment, besides murder?

rape/molestation of a child deserves death IMO

OK you just said IYO. But why?

I agree with USSC "death penalty for the rape of an adult was "grossly disproportionate" and an "excessive punishment," and hence was unconstitutional under the Eighth Amendment."

EVERYTHING is disproportionate when considering death because there is no rival. It's an extremity and final.

 

[acri1]

As much as rapists probably deserve it, I'm against the death penalty just on principle.

It doesn't save money, it's biased, and I don't really trust the government to decide whether someone lives or dies. So just throw them in prison for life.

 

[The Real]

As much as rapists probably deserve it, I'm against the death penalty just on principle.

It doesn't save money, it's biased, and I don't really trust the government to decide whether someone lives or dies. So just throw them in prison for life.

I generally agree with this, though who knows how I'd feel if someone close to me were raped.

If the rapist dies during the assault in a self-defense situation, though, I absolutely don't think the victim should be prosecuted.

 

[Dooby]

As much as rapists probably deserve it, I'm against the death penalty just on principle.

It doesn't save money, it's biased, and I don't really trust the government to decide whether someone lives or dies. So just throw them in prison for life.

But murder doesn't justify a person getting the death penalty? And it costs less than housing someone for life?

 

[acri1]

But murder doesn't justify a person getting the death penalty? And it costs less than housing someone for life?

Study: States can't afford death penalty - CNN

The Death Penalty Information Center study found that death penalty costs can average $10 million more per year per state than life sentences. Increased costs include higher security needs and guaranteed access to an often lengthy pardon and appellate process. The group is an information resource on capital punishment, and opposes its application as unworkable, inefficient and prone to mistakes.

 

[Dooby]

Study: States can't afford death penalty - CNN

That's problem with the procedure. It's inefficient.

 

[acri1]

That's problem with the procedure. It's inefficient.

I guess, but if you start eliminating stuff like appellate processes you run a higher risk of executing someone that's innocent. Plus it's not like people on death row are executed right after their sentencing, most people sit on death row for 10+ years and often die of natural causes before being executed.

It would make more sense to just toss the idea and just imprison people for life.

 

[Dooby]

I guess, but if you start eliminating stuff like appellate processes you run a higher risk of executing someone that's innocent. Plus it's not like people on death row are executed right after their sentencing, most people sit on death row for 10+ years and often die of natural causes before being executed.

It would make more sense to just toss the idea and just imprison people for life.

That's not justice though

What exactly is wrong with eye for an eye justice?

 

[VICVALLIN]

i don't know if would be ok with capital punishment in a rape case, but i would understand if its a serial rapist who has repeatedly demonstrated that he cannot conform to everyday normal life.

 

[acri1]

That's not justice though

What exactly is wrong with eye for an eye justice?

What about justice for taxpayers?

 

[upthere]

Assuming the accused is proven guilty without doubt*



I dont believe rapists and child molesters should be put to death. They should suffer while alive and locked up.

 

[Brown_Pride]

Death only in cases of child rape. Particularly child abduction and rape. Other than that the DP is basura.

Reason:
IF as an adult you justify in your mind a reason to cross the line and rape/abduct a child then you've crossed a line that you're not going to be able to uncross. You will do it more than once and there is a strong chance that you'll end up killing one of your victims. Even if you don't kill them there will be many until you are caught and then when you get out there will be more. Like i said, there's a line you cross with this action that cannot be uncrossed IMHO.

For that reason, to save future victims from harm I would want you dead. Extenuating circumstances being taken into consideration.

Extenuating circumstances:
She looked 18 when she was 17 1/2. That don't deserve death and i don't have a solid number on when it's a royal fuk up vs when it's sick twisted over the line shyt just yet...i'm working on it though.

Just know that if you get caught in BP Land with an 8 year old you're as good as dead.

 

[Dirty Mcdrawz]

i don't think rape justifies the death penalty but if the victim were to kill the rapist during the crime