Masculinity Debate: Are Dating Apps Creating A Generation Of Incels?! Lonely Men Are More Dangerous Than Ever!

[Ozymandeas]

I really like that this is discussed more and I really appreciate guys like Scott Galloway putting this in the forefront. Ive actually donated to the American Institute Of Boys & Men due to its research. The founder Richard Reeves has a black stepson and he had a chapter dedicated to Black Boys & Men due to our unique issues. I was also impressed he referenced Tommy J Curry's The Man Not.

Galloway tends to think Boys and Men need to be economically viable to compete in the modern dating market and in life. I'd strongly agree with him because we see that educated women and men are still getting married (although later in life) and the ones impacted the most are Men with less education thus less economic opportunities. If men were making more it would be easier.

BTW I don't think women's progress is necessarily "bad" but it has changed things. Maybe women should look at the guy who makes less than them but since women have made great strives they see it as "dating down" which is a problem in itself. We see it in dating apps too. Why do you think Bumble which is female centric went from $70 IPO to almost a penny stock. Neither gender is happier with dating apps for the most part.

BTW I don't think it's necessarily apps but it definitely accelerated the problem.

Agreed. I watched this video yesterday. You can boil 90% of the country's dating problem to men not feeling economically secure.

Most men (not all but, most) just aren't going to feel confident if they're not on a strong financial footing.

We're built to provide and if you're not doing that, one, women will peep it, even if they don't have a single idea of what you're making, your vibe will not be the same as a man who is 100% secure in his life, and then two, men will self-select out of going for alot of women because they know it's not gonna happen.

 

[folasade]

Broke people date all the time though.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Data can lie, so personal observations are needed to verify.

BUT... I have no idea where you're from, who you're around, what the dating culture is like there, what the demographics are, whether or not you're lying or skewing shyt to prove a point or whether you're even interpreting what you're seeing is even valid.

All I'm saying is, dating apps/social media is one cog that's breaking down traditional dating norms. And it's a very big cog.

Do y'all see young couples in your day to day life?

You didn’t specify age range you specified couples.



Are you saying because there are couples out here pushing strollers then everything about dating in the US is fine, when data consistently proves otherwise


I guarantee you that there are more single moms pushing strollers in certain demographics.

You are trying to blame incels and I’m blaming the entire social media system.

I also think you throw that incel word around too freely

Data proves one thing, but I'm seeing the other. Which one is it? Do you see couples in your day to day life?

 

[Sonic Boom of the South]

They probably work too well and giving people unlimited options creates that paradox of choice. You extend that to social media and people always being connected you basically have connection to all past lovers. I have had them reach out thru email, ig, text, even send $1 thru cash app with message attached and they were all in relationships. Its a very interesting time indeed.

I don't get your point at all. Women have always had multiple options. Dating apps gives men an added option also.

There's plenty of studies and anecdotal evidence showing that this isn't true...

I'm not saying it's dating apps alone. You need a baseline of shyt contributing to a societal mismatch.

• Women are outperforming men up until the median income significantly. But still want to date up.
• A generation of social media has retarded in-person interaction. Talking here or social media is not the same as real life. Dudes legit aren't learning body expression when socializing.
• Then throw in an app that's deciding a bunch of factors:
• Are you attractive
• Your height
• What you like to do which subsequently. says what you can do and ultimately. what you are able to provide.
• Have you swiped on too many people
• Have you completely filled out the app

And a bunch more irrelevant shyt as to whether or not you're even going to have chemistry with the person.

What is the title of this thread?
You literally saying a bunch of nothing.
Dating apps are 1 damm option of meeting someone. It is not forced to use.

If you are socially awkward offline then you will be so online in social media and dating apps.
NO IT IS NOT THE APPS FAULT THAT YOU ARE AN INCEL. Your development is based off of how you were raised and what morals, education, discipline, etc. you received.

Inserting capitalism into the opening stage of romantic relationships. Let me put my thinking cap on for this one.

This sentence from you alone says moe about you than anything. Straight social media snap ya finger talk.

 

[Panther]

I started it yesterday. I am here for the convo and the action that we as men need to take.

I gotta push back on the bolded. In know too many dudes lacking in one or more of those categories that have women all over them. If we are being real most people dont even understand what actual masculinity or strength is.

The thing is you cant seperate the genders of you want society to function well. What girls do and dont do impacts boys and vice versa. What good is raising heatlhy strong masculine men if women are choosing weak, lazy, deadbeat addicts to breed with? What good is encouraging girls to go get it if you allow boys to be weak, lazy, deadbeat addicts?

My statement is reflective of the data points the the woman who worked at hinge spoke about.

80% of the women want 10% of the men. (We've heard this in other places before too).

Your experience dones't change that this is what we're seeing more and more in the dating pool (especially gen z)

And fwiw, any dude who has women all over him is going to have a strength in one area, maybe he's charismatic, or funny, or socially adapt, or physically fit, or attractive. Its not all about money (even tho its a priority according to women)

 

[RickyDiBiase]

Broke people date all the time though.

Well see, broke people here are met with scorn because they according to some poor people don't deserve any happiness.

 

[RickyDiBiase]

My statement is reflective of the data points the the woman who worked at hinge spoke about.

80% of the women want 10% of the men. (We've heard this in other places before too).

Your experience dones't change that this is what we're seeing more and more in the dating pool (especially gen z)

And fwiw, any dude who has women all over him is going to have a strength in one area, maybe he's charismatic, or funny, or socially adapt, or physically fit, or attractive. Its not all about money (even tho its a priority according to women)

Yeah

I've heard that too

and it's bullshyt

 

[JNew]

The problem is people aren’t held responsible.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

My statement is reflective of the data points the the woman who worked at hinge spoke about.

80% of the women want 10% of the men. (We've heard this in other places before too).

Your experience dones't change that this is what we're seeing more and more in the dating pool (especially gen z)

And fwiw, any dude who has women all over him is going to have a strength in one area, maybe he's charismatic, or funny, or socially adapt, or physically fit, or attractive. Its not all about money (even tho its a priority according to women)

Do you witness this in person in your day to day life? Like do you see couples or do you see a lot of single women waiting for the top 10%?

 

[Yaboysix]

Y'all listen to this type of Shyt?

I don't know a single INCEL and never met One.


Every man I know can get a girl , not because he's just raw like that...he can get one because THESE HOES IS CHOOSING!!!

Nygga can have 1 eye, balding...and a wooden leg.... SOMEBODY gone want you! How are these online Weirdos not understanding this?

One of my patients last night was a meth head... guess what? HE had a loyal girlfriend on his side too...she was a meth head, but she was his girl..

Ain't no way you lonely when there's literally OTHER lonely women out there...guess what, get with them and y'all won't be lonely no more, duh!

Nyggas too busy thinking they need a Instagram model/dime...turn yo regular woman into a dime, bruh.


Find somebody who loves you

 

[Vandelay]

Do y'all see young couples in your day to day life?




Data proves one thing, but I'm seeing the other. Which one is it? Do you see couples in your day to day life?

I see couples everyday. That doesn't mean that it's at the same rate/percentage it was 10-20 years ago.

Most people meet on dating apps today, and dating apps are one reason things are turning to shyt. We used to casually and organically just meet people through normal socialization over thousands of years. Dating apps, social media, working from home, streaming everything at home, cellphones, etc makes it so we aren't socializing like we used to.

To further compound that the traditional roles of men and women; I personally don't care if a woman is a breadwinner, but thats an exception not the rule; are shifting, but the desires each want haven't kept up with those shifts.

It's a multipronged problem, but if 65% of couples are meeting on dating apps, BUT only 20% of men are getting matches... what does that tell you about dating dynamics when you extrapolate that over millions of people? Hell... colleges ANOTHER place people meet, MEN aren't going to college. Someone posted yesterday Howard only has 20% black men and I think 25% MEN PERIOD.

When that happens, who do you think is eating? Who do you think is satisfied with that dynamic? Women are leaving men behind and for better or worse, they aren't stepping up to the plate for a variety of reasons. I can tell you now this is not favorable for women either. It makes women think they have unlimited opportunity, and it makes that 20% of men think they are really a commodity. But it's NOT sustainable societally.

 

[folasade]

Well see, broke people here are met with scorn because they according to some poor people don't deserve any happiness.

Yep. They want people to be miserable like they are. And a lot of them are too up their own ass wallowing in self pity not realizing all of these hangs up they have do not stop other people and hasn't historically.

 

[Vandelay]

I don't get your point at all. Women have always had multiple options. Dating apps gives men an added option also.

What is the title of this thread?
You literally saying a bunch of nothing.
Dating apps are 1 damm option of meeting someone. It is not forced to use.

If you are socially awkward offline then you will be so online in social media and dating apps.
NO IT IS NOT THE APPS FAULT THAT YOU ARE AN INCEL. Your development is based off of how you were raised and what morals, education, discipline, etc. you received.

This sentence from you alone says moe about you than anything. Straight social media snap ya finger talk.

You are fukking dense. No where did I say it was the only options or the preferable option. I hate fukking dating apps. Repeatedly I said it was a socialization problem. You are just picking out what you want to address. I said it multiple times it's one cog in a larger problem.

 

[Jazzy B.]

And I think a lot of what we call incels are just dudes who are under socialized or are just autistic.

“incel” is now a shaming word woman like you use to avoid being called out by men.

It’ used to be “misogynist”

But that word wasn’t working anymore so y’all used a word that is related to male MURDERERS to shut down opposition

Actual incels get ZERO play not even dates not even numbers or social media they get NOTHING

They straddle the line between unaliving themselves everyday.

Thats why this whole conversation is bullshyt because it’s not about actual incels in the first place. And the men who they now call “incels” aren’t crashing out and murdering women because they got ghosted.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Y'all listen to this type of Shyt?

I don't know a single INCEL and never met One.


Every man I know can get a girl , not because he's just raw like that...he can get one because THESE HOES IS CHOOSING!!!

Nygga can have 1 eye, balding...and a wooden leg.... SOMEBODY gone want you! How are these online Weirdos not understanding this?

One of my patients last night was a meth head... guess what? HE had a loyal girlfriend on his side too...she was a meth head, but she was his girl..

Ain't no way you lonely when there's literally OTHER lonely women out there...guess what, get with them and y'all won't be lonely no more, duh!

Nyggas too busy thinking they need a Instagram model/dime...turn yo regular woman into a dime, bruh.


Find somebody who loves you