Masculinity Debate: Are Dating Apps Creating A Generation Of Incels?! Lonely Men Are More Dangerous Than Ever!

[Panther]

The Diary Of A CEO’s masculinity discussion is joined by Scott Galloway and Logan Ury. Scott Galloway is a member of the advisory council for the American Institute for Boys and Men and Professor of Marketing at the New York Stern School of Business. Logan Ury is a behavioural scientist turned dating coach and Director of Relationship Science at Hinge.

In this discussion, Scott, Logan, and Steven discuss topics such as, how toxic masculinity has a grip on young men, whether dating apps are creating a generation of incels, the rising levels of violence among adolescent men, and why young boys are giving up on love and work.

00:00 Intro

02:13 The Lost Boys Report

03:46 Who Is Logan and What Does She Do?

05:07 Who Is Scott

06:12 How Did This Happen?

10:38 Fatherless Homes

14:40 Are Boys Mentally Weaker?

16:51 Is the Education System the Problem?

22:49 Where Are Male Role Models?

30:08 What the Stats Say About Dating

34:42 Dating Standards

44:23 Do Women Really Want Emotionally Attuned Men?

46:16 If They're Okay, Always Go on a Second Date

48:06 Men's Groups: Should We Have Them and What Are the Benefits?

54:57 Ads

55:50 Steve's Supportive Group of Friends

1:02:42 The Dangers of Porn for Young Boys

1:08:01 How Scott Helps Men With Porn Addiction

1:13:12 Men Approaching Women in a Post-MeToo Era

1:15:27 Teens Don’t Know How to Ask Girls Out in Person

1:25:22 Do Successful Women Struggle to Find a Partner?

1:28:11 Ads

1:29:14 The Rise of Feminism

1:30:54 Money Equals Identity for Men

1:36:09 Does Money Give Self-Worth to Women?

1:38:42 The Human Dating Boot Camp

1:47:33 How Is the Left Going to Get Men Back?

1:52:16 Advice for Parents of Young Boys

1:55:12 What Scott and Steve Had to Unlearn About Being a Man

2:10:02 Closing Message for the Lost Boys

 

[Panther]

This is a long listen but its an interesting conversation.

Young boys are not getting the support they need (no matter the race) en masse. Education, childrearing, dating, socially, its time to put more resources back into boys. Especially because at the end of the day, women want successful, strong masculine men to partner with.

I've heard these talking points in other places before too , godfather was spot on about a good bit

 

[Sonic Boom of the South]

How would you blame dating apps when in this age, that is 1 of the better ways people are connecting and dating.

Mafukkas always want to blame everything but parenting.

 

[folasade]

It's not dating apps. It's way they're raised, or lack thereof. As a result they seek guidance from the worst people.

 

[ViShawn]

I really like that this is discussed more and I really appreciate guys like Scott Galloway putting this in the forefront. Ive actually donated to the American Institute Of Boys & Men due to its research. The founder Richard Reeves has a black stepson and he had a chapter dedicated to Black Boys & Men due to our unique issues. I was also impressed he referenced Tommy J Curry's The Man Not.

Galloway tends to think Boys and Men need to be economically viable to compete in the modern dating market and in life. I'd strongly agree with him because we see that educated women and men are still getting married (although later in life) and the ones impacted the most are Men with less education thus less economic opportunities. If men were making more it would be easier.

BTW I don't think women's progress is necessarily "bad" but it has changed things. Maybe women should look at the guy who makes less than them but since women have made great strives they see it as "dating down" which is a problem in itself. We see it in dating apps too. Why do you think Bumble which is female centric went from $70 IPO to almost a penny stock. Neither gender is happier with dating apps for the most part.

BTW I don't think it's necessarily apps but it definitely accelerated the problem.

 

[RickyDiBiase]

Lonely men are no more dangerous then men with active social lives.

This stuff be all over the place and too dramatic for it's own good.

The danger is we allow people who only care about their revenue stream pointing their finger towards groups of people (ironically enough black men, and immigrant men to a lesser extent) and telling a generation of men "that's the problem, that's whose taking all the women from you etc."

And I can back this up by every piece of shyt mass shooter from the past decade alone

It's not dating apps. It's way they're raised, or lack thereof. As a result they seek guidance from the worst people.

I use to think this too, but truth of the matter is, dudes in this country, some, gravitate towards individuals with some level of fame or success

So if your old man, isn't pulling in six figures, hopping out of lambos or some other nonsense and mama ain't a "high value woman" you're gonna look to someone who portrays that, even if they're full of shyt or faking the funk

People muck this conversation up thinking it's a left wing v right wing thing, when the reality is it's much more a vertical issue

 

[Vandelay]

I knew this was Scott Galloway before I clicked the thread. He's on point about this. And he's right about young lonely men being the most dangerous people. Look at the general profile of mass shooters or Proud Boys.

How would you blame dating apps when in this age, that is 1 of the better ways people are connecting and dating.

Mafukkas always want to blame everything but parenting.

It's the algorithms predeciding who meets who. Men just swipe on anything and this skews it in women's favor. And women in general put more thought into meeting on an app then men, so a large swath of men aren't getting the results they would get through normal interaction.

Not caping. Just explaining.

 

[skyrunner1]

How would you blame dating apps when in this age, that is 1 of the better ways people are connecting and dating.

Mafukkas always want to blame everything but parenting.

They probably work too well and giving people unlimited options creates that paradox of choice. You extend that to social media and people always being connected you basically have connection to all past lovers. I have had them reach out thru email, ig, text, even send $1 thru cash app with message attached and they were all in relationships. Its a very interesting time indeed.

 

[DonB90]

America and the West don't put value on being a man. There's no respect in it from society. Dating apps don't change that

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Has anyone ever stopped and thought that dudes are lames because they don't even try? They don't socialize, they too scared to approach women, they're too bitter to take rejection.

For the teenagers and young men, Highschool & College are places with ample opportunity to meet women, so dating apps is a cop out.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

Dating apps helped influence the current mindsets of people dating, I would agree on that

But social media in general imo

 

[RickyDiBiase]

America and the West don't put value on being a man. There's no respect in it from society. Dating apps don't change that

the level of fukking entitlement. Holy shyt.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

America and the West don't put value on being a man. There's no respect in it from society. Dating apps don't change that

Men create their own value.

 

[Dorian Breh]

the diary of a CEO is about online dating and masculinity

podcast gay af

 

[DonB90]

Men create their own value.

Correct. Unfortunately masculinity has been beaten in the head for the past 60 years so men collectively are to weak to exert their rightful place and respect in society

the level of fukking entitlement. Holy shyt.

Great contribution to the thread mouth breather