Manny Pacquiao officially calls it a career.
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Mr. Leonidas
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I'm not telling a story. You can literally google the pics of Marquez with chest and back acne, which are standard indicators of PED use. However, YOU literally can't find any pics or some other form of proof that Pac cheated. That's the difference b.
LAS VEGAS -- A federal judge has ordered boxer Floyd Mayweather Jr. to pay about $114,000 for avoiding questioning from rival fighter Manny Pacquiao's lawyers in a defamation case.
Calling a professional athlete a cheater is the most serious charge one can make," the lawsuit said. "Accusing an athlete of using performance-enhancing drugs -- however baseless and lacking in any evidence -- is toxic."
Throw stones when u live in a glass house...
Pac man never failed a drug test but you know who has failed 4 of them tho
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Calling a professional athlete a cheater is the most serious charge one can make," the lawsuit said. "Accusing an athlete of using performance-enhancing drugs -- however baseless and lacking in any evidence -- is toxic."
Throw stones when u live in a glass house...
Pac man never failed a drug test but you know who has failed 4 of them tho
.seemorecizzy
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serious question:
why do you think pacquaio rejected doing random blood and urine testing. do you think he did it cause he was clean? you're seeing what you wanna see. if a black fighter refused a career high pay day over random blood testing he would be crufied by the media and by everyone in here lol
if you were offered a 200k a year for a new job and they said u gotta do a drug test, the only way you avoid it is if you're dirty. this is just common sense lol
there's signs of him cheating everywhere if you choose to look. but at this point i know he's your hero and you dont wanna entertain that real conversation
Black_Jesus
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He did it because he was in a position where he didn't have to.. and at the time unlimited random blood testing up to the fight was something abnormal in boxing.. He probably thought the guy demanding it was an insecure bytch and he didn't wanna give him that peice of mind and comfort.. I woulda thought the same thing seeing as though it was never asked of any of his other opponents..basically it was ego
Mr. Leonidas
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Thank you for taking the words out of my mouth. All truth. I vividly remember how it all went and no lies were told.
seemorecizzy
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if floyd had asked him to do it only, you would have an argument. the fact that he volunteered to do the testing himself, proves he just wanted to have a fair and clean fight.
not to mention that after pacquaio ducked the test, floyd did mutual random blood and urine testing for every fight he had going forward. So it wasn't strictly a pacquaio issue. boxing as a whole had a cheating issue.
even Mosley, someone who never had back ache and someone who never tested positive suggested that pacquaio was cheating...even suggested it might be thru da same resources that he used to cheat
most people don't even know that de la hoya made mayweather take 2 additional random blood and urine tests before their fight. floyd didnt even a blink an eye to that shyt.
its not something you argue about unless you have something to hide.
can you honestly watch this video from a unbias perspective and think he isn"t hiding something
@Mr.leonidas
im trying to be fair here but come on
he's still a legendary fighter but it is what it is.
holyfield is a legendary boxer who cheated as well
Black_Jesus
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if floyd had asked him to do it only, you would have an argument. the fact that he volunteered to do the testing himself, proves he just wanted to have a fair and clean fight.
not to mention that after pacquaio ducked the test, floyd did mutual random blood and urine testing for every fight he had going forward. So it wasn't strictly a pacquaio issue. boxing as a whole had a cheating issue.
even Mosley, someone who never had back ache and someone who never tested positive suggested that pacquaio was cheating...even suggested it might be thru da same resources that he used to cheat
most people don't even know that de la hoya made mayweather take 2 additional random blood and urine tests before their fight. floyd didnt even a blink an eye to that shyt.
its not something you argue about unless you have something to hide.
can you honestly watch this video from a unbias perspective and think he isn"t hiding something
@Mr.leonidas
im trying to be fair here but come on
he's still a legendary fighter but it is what it is.
holyfield is a legendary boxer who cheated as well
I said what I said.. Unlike Shane and the rest, Pac was in a position where he didn't have to take orders from insecure bytch nikkas demanding he do extra shyt outside of the Nevada requirements... Just cause Pac wasn't playing along with shook nikkas claiming they scare for their sons life dont mean he was cheating
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Mr. Leonidas
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if floyd had asked him to do it only, you would have an argument. the fact that he volunteered to do the testing himself, proves he just wanted to have a fair and clean fight.
not to mention that after pacquaio ducked the test, floyd did mutual random blood and urine testing for every fight he had going forward. So it wasn't strictly a pacquaio issue. boxing as a whole had a cheating issue.
even Mosley, someone who never had back ache and someone who never tested positive suggested that pacquaio was cheating...even suggested it might be thru da same resources that he used to cheat
most people don't even know that de la hoya made mayweather take 2 additional random blood and urine tests before their fight. floyd didnt even a blink an eye to that shyt.
its not something you argue about unless you have something to hide.
can you honestly watch this video from a unbias perspective and think he isn"t hiding something
@Mr.leonidas
im trying to be fair here but come on
he's still a legendary fighter but it is what it is.
holyfield is a legendary boxer who cheated as well
Plus, you're forgetting that the testing Mayweather wanted was from USADA, the company that allowed him to cheat because he was paying them. Mayweather never wanted the more objective and comprehensive testing that VADA offered, which I speculate is because they wouldn't have given Mayweather all the exemptions for the illegal substances he was taking that USADA gave him.
Just read this bro.
Can Boxing Trust USADA's drug testing?
Black_Jesus
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This aint a rabbit whole these nikkas ready to go down.. Trying my hardest not to go there
seemorecizzy
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its amazing to me how you guys have no problem claiming floyd mayweather, someone who voluntarily pioneered random blood and urine testing into the sport of boxing is a cheater, and have no problem callin marquez a cheater even though he never tested positive for anything;
but the mere suspicion that manny pacquaio was cheating despite pubicly refusing to do random testing, and moving up in weight as a smaller guy and somehow gettin Stronger (amongst many other things) is completely off base and there was no way he wasnt 100 percent clean
i guess part of manny pacquaio's legacy is making knowledgeable boxing fans suddenly turn into oblivious and clueless fan boys whenever his name is brought up
he can't control how his fan base behaves though. salute to him for a wonderful career
Mr. Leonidas
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its amazing to me how you guys have no problem claiming floyd mayweather, someone who voluntarily pioneered random blood and urine testing into the sport of boxing is a cheater, and have no problem callin marquez a cheater even though he never tested positive for anything;
but the mere suspicion that manny pacquaio was cheating despite pubicly refusing to do random testing, and moving up in weight as a smaller guy and somehow gettin Stronger (amongst many other things) is completely off base and there was no way he wasnt 100 percent clean
i guess part of manny pacquaio's legacy is making knowledgeable boxing fans suddenly turn into oblivious and clueless fan boys whenever his name is brought up
he can't control how his fan base behaves though. salute to him for a wonderful career
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. Also, the best place to hide a lie is between two truths...
...If you're just looking at this from a biased surface level, then you'll take at face value that Mayweather pioneered Olympic style drug testing so he must have been clean. However if you look deep enough you'll see Mayweather only wanted USADA drug testing and not VADA.
Whats the difference? VADAs testing is more comprehensive i.e. they test for more PEDs. They're also the company that has caught more PED users with failed tests. Ask yourself- why did Mayweather want USADA instead of the more serious and stringent VADA?
That's because Mayweather was paying USADA directly. As a result, if Mayweather failed a test, which he failed several, he was able to get Thereuptic Use Exemptions (TUE) AFTER the fact. What does that mean? It meant even though he'd be flagged for a failed test before the fight, he was able to still fight and get a TUE AFTER the fight (retroactively). And this isn't speculation, rumor, or my hating ass opinion. It's fact. And it's in the article I've sent you twice now but you refuse to read it. And that's just bogus cuz we allllll know if Pacquiao was getting TUEs after fights Floyd stans would be up in arms. Just so you know, a TUE is something you're supposed to get BEFORE a fight.
Again, this is all speculation. However my speculating is grounded in substantive information. The article I sent you supports my Floyd theory. Explains the numerous TUEs he was getting AFTER fights and even touches on the illegal IVs found in Mayweather's home during the Pacquiao fight. Here's another article explaining all this:
Floyd a Farce? PED Report Further Clouds Mayweather's Legacy
Now with Marquez, we have the clear pics of acne on his chest and back which we all understand to be signs of PED use. Couple that with the fact that against Pacquiao in their 4th fight there was no Olympic style drug testing and Marquez was bigger and stronger than Pacquiao for the first time in 4 fights. Then in his very next bout against Bradley, who threatened to pull out of the fight unless Marquez agreed to Olympic style drug testing, he was not as big as he was in the 4th Pac fight and looked quite pedestrian in his performance.
Pac on the other hand is considered a cheat simply because he achieved something great- went up 8 divisions and beat nearly all the best opponents. Ppl point to his "big head" and his refusal to do specifically what Mayweather was trying to force him to do lol. Okay I guess that makes you a cheat. However what separates him from Marquez and Floyd in the cheating regard is that he never had chest and back acne like Marquez did nor did he get TUEs after the fact or use banned IVs like Mayweather did. Also wasn't paying USADA directly like Mayweather was either.
There's smoke around those two. I've given enough information for you to decide if there was fire as well. I know this is alot to accept. It was hard for me to accept for sure.
seemorecizzy
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lmao
i didnt address it cause its nonsense bro
not even the bias floyd mayweather hating media ran with this for more than a week.
USADA Statement on Inaccurate Pro Boxing News Reports
it's hard for me to take any pacquaio fan serious when they accuse anyone of cheating. you guys really dont know how crazy you look.
now its "he didnt choose the best random blood and urine testing company" lmao buddy there was nothing in place AT ALL before. Whether you think another company did it better is up to you, i dont care. the point is, he put something in place and it helped the integrity of the sport.
if floyd was payin these guys off why would they come to his house da night before da fight and report anything in da first place lmao
im down to have intelligent discussions but this is dumb as hell fam lmao
im glad pacquaio is gone so some of you guys can get your common sense back. cause your a lot more level headed when it comee to other boxers
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Mr. Leonidas
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Cmon bro are you serious? Your answer to the article citing USADAs negligence, which was written by an unbiased journalist, is a response letter from USADA lol!?!
What did you expect them to say?!? Of course they're gonna deny deny deny smdh...
And you're wrong in saying there was NOTHING prior to Mayweathers insistence on USADA testing. The commissions have always had pre and post fight testing.
And if you truly don't know that VADA testing is better than USADA, just look at all the recent failed tests in the last 5 years. And true boxing fan knows this. VADA has busted WAAAAYY more fighters than USADA, which is why VADA is the gold standard now in the sport. & don't get me started on the all the fighters who failed USADA testing and still were allowed to proceed with their fights.
And as for your statement asking why would USADA come to Mayweather's house, it's because it was a standard unannounced visit to test him. As agents they have to have documented data showing the date, time of all the testing. They obviously didn't know they'd find IVs but the reality is it didn't matter since Mayweather's contract with USADA called for him to be notified of any failed tests FIRST BEFORE THE COMMISSION/PROMOTERS/TEAM PAC! The commission didnt find out about the illegal IV usage until 19 days after the fight! Moreover they covered his ass regardless since they gave him a TUE AFTER the fact.
I get Floyd Joy's your man but you're choosing not to see what's obvious. Because whereas you accuse me of being a biased Pac fan and ignoring his "cheating" you not only have offered no proof but you can't even offer anything substantive that may even suggest Pac cheated. That interview you posted of Pac and BK just proves what @Black_Jesus said earlier which was Pac was unwilling to bend to Mayweathers demands but was more than willing to do whatever the commission wanted.
And in regards to that laughable letter from USADA doing their best Shaggy impersonation, I present this
Hauser Hits Back at USADA Over Mayweather/IV Scandal