Man of Steel: Do you think Superman was justified?

[acri1]

Didn’t he just have a fight where he tossed him through buildings, cornfields, and the air?

He lost the ability to move this dude?

Have you actually watched the scene? Those people were seconds away from being murdered, trying to wrestle with him while he was actively blasting heat vision around would've gotten them killed.

I don’t know how anyone can watch the Invincible cartoon and not see exactly what was wrong with Man of Steel.

The cartoon ran circles around everything MOS thought it was doing

Hopefully you're not suggesting that Superman is somehow morally equivalent to Omni-man because he was forced to kill one person to save civilians

 

[Json]

Have you actually watched the scene? Those people were seconds away from being murdered, trying to wrestle with him while he was actively blasting heat vision around would've gotten them killed.

You mean seconds to a guy who can fly around the Earth in minutes
Plus he literally moves Zod standing right on top of his mother leaving her with a bunch of super powered Kryptonian criminals

Hopefully you're not suggesting that Superman is somehow morally equivalent to Omni-man because he was forced to kill one person to save civilians

You really think I’m equating a dude wanting to destroy Earth to Superman and not Zod?

Zod’s dialogue about humans vs us was almost verbatim like Zod’s view.

 

[Fillerguy]

Have you actually watched the scene? Those people were seconds away from being murdered, trying to wrestle with him while he was actively blasting heat vision around would've gotten them killed.

He could've covered Zod's eyes, being invulnerable and all. Flown away with Zod away, like he was doing early in the fight. Or at the very least not punch Zod around Smallville and Metropolis. Supes fight boxed Zod into main street Smallville, before Zod learned to fly. Once Zod learns how to fight they box each other into space than back to Metropolis, in the same exact spot they started. Queue Zod's "i can only move my head, not my eyes so you're gonna have to break my neck Superman" moment

Superman killing Zod is by far the least note worthy problem with MoS. That's like saying "Save Martha!" ruined BvS. There's alot of before those moments. Like Superman flying half around the world to world machine in India while leaving the kryptonians to the US Army

 

[acri1]

You mean seconds to a guy who can fly around the Earth in minutes
Plus he literally moves Zod standing right on top of his mother leaving her with a bunch of super powered Kryptonian criminals

That was because he literally came in flying from a distance and had momentum built up, completely different situation than him standing on the ground struggling to hold him down.

You really think I’m equating a dude wanting to destroy Earth to Superman and not Zod?

Then I don't really understand the parallel you're drawing other than Zod and Omni-man both being evil alien conquerors

What exactly did Invincible do better than MoS? There's not that much they have in common other than Viltrumites being vaguely similar to Kryptonians, it's not like Zod was going to change his mind at the last minute.

 

[Json]

That was because he literally came in flying from a distance and had momentum built up, completely different situation than him standing on the ground struggling to hold him down.

Moving precisely at fast speed is harder than going from zero to 100. You think picking up a slippery pencil standing over it is harder than picking up a pencil on a roller coaster?

He is already right behind him with arm around him. Move him.

It’s not like he has to race across the room to stop the heat vision.

Then I don't really understand the parallel you're drawing other than Zod and Omni-man both being evil alien conquerors

What exactly did Invincible do better than MoS? There's not that much they have in common other than Viltrumites being vaguely similar to Kryptonians, it's not like Zod was going to change his mind at the last minute.

Superman makes out with Lois in the ruins of Metropolis vs. trying to hold up a building and losing innocent people.

Zod was a warrior Kryptonian breed from birth. Omni Man was a warrior Viltrimite breed from birth. Both appealed to the hero as superior beings among lessers.

Invincible chose Earth over his alien heritage. Same as Supes.

Terraforming Earth vs any other planet(no stakes). Earth had meaning for Omni Man and Invincible.

 

[radio rahiem]

More MOS arguments

 

[Monoblock]

Here we go again....

 

[DamienWayne]

He could've covered Zod's eyes, being invulnerable and all. Flown away with Zod away, like he was doing early in the fight. Or at the very least not punch Zod around Smallville and Metropolis. Supes fight boxed Zod into main street Smallville, before Zod learned to fly. Once Zod learns how to fight they box each other into space than back to Metropolis, in the same exact spot they started. Queue Zod's "i can only move my head, not my eyes so you're gonna have to break my neck Superman" moment

Superman killing Zod is by far the least note worthy problem with MoS. That's like saying "Save Martha!" ruined BvS. There's alot of before those moments. Like Superman flying half around the world to world machine in India while leaving the kryptonians to the US Army

I agree with this partially , he should have covered his eyes pushing the heat vision back in accidentally killing Zod . I think people don't like the scene because it was too brutal for Superman to break a neck . That's some homelander shyt .

 

[acri1]

Moving precisely at fast speed is harder than going from zero to 100. You think picking up a slippery pencil standing over it is harder than picking up a pencil on a roller coaster?

He is already right behind him with arm around him. Move him.

It’s not like he has to race across the room to stop the heat vision.

Guess we have to agree to disagree because I'm just not convinced he was strong enough to overpower Zod (a fellow Kryptonian about as strong as him) that fast. If I'm a grown man fighting another grown man of comparable size and strength it's not that easy to just flick him out of the way.

Superman was literally begging Zod to stop, the writers are clearly trying to convey that Superman was desperate and just barely holding him down.

Superman makes out with Lois in the ruins of Metropolis vs. trying to hold up a building and losing innocent people.

Zod was a warrior Kryptonian breed from birth. Omni Man was a warrior Viltrimite breed from birth. Both appealed to the hero as superior beings among lessers.

Invincible chose Earth over his alien heritage. Same as Supes.

Terraforming Earth vs any other planet(no stakes). Earth had meaning for Omni Man and Invincible.

Difference is, Invincible got his ass kicked and failed to protect anyone from the villain, he might've chose Earth but he was helpless. He was basically just lucky that Omni Man was his father and couldn't go thru with it.

Obviously Zod wasn't going to be talked out of it and Superman had no other option but to physically stop him.


My point is the situations are so different it's not fair to compare them. Supes made a tough choice in order to save Earth, Invincible basically just lost and Earth was saved by the plot.

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

Didn’t he just have a fight where he tossed him through buildings, cornfields, and the air?

He lost the ability to move this dude?

Snyder is an idiot.

 

[Silver Surfer]

One of the best Superhero movies made....its up there with Iron man 1

 

[Json]

Guess we have to agree to disagree because I'm just not convinced he was strong enough to overpower Zod (a fellow Kryptonian about as strong as him) that fast. If I'm a grown man fighting another grown man of comparable size and strength it's not that easy to just flick him out of the way.

Superman was literally begging Zod to stop, the writers are clearly trying to convey that Superman was desperate and just barely holding him down.

I get what they were trying to convey. It’s just to me I didn’t see how him fighting Zod for the previous 20 minutes means he can’t stop him now.

He just took on 3 Kryptonians in Smallville.

But now heat vision is Superman’s Achilles heel?

I’m not even against Superman killing. But you gotta make it for a more dire reason than heat vision. We just saw him take on a gravity wave and win.

Suneater will burn off all the oxygen in Earth’s atmosphere of Superman doesn’t kill it?…..go

Difference is, Invincible got his ass kicked and failed to protect anyone from the villain, he might've chose Earth but he was helpless. He was basically just lucky that Omni Man was his father and couldn't go thru with it.

And?

Batman lost Rachel and Harvey to the Joker’s schemes. Batman was getting circles ran around him if not for the listening device. but I doubt anyone would call him not the heroic story of the movie.

A Superman who fails and learns sounds like a really great story instead of a guy who snaps necks or reverses the earth to win.

Obviously Zod wasn't going to be talked out of it and Superman had no other option but to physically stop him.


My point is the situations are so different it's not fair to compare them. Supes made a tough choice in order to save Earth, Invincible basically just lost and Earth was saved by the plot.

explain how Zod not just terraforming Mars and repopulating there instead of Earth isn’t plot contrivance?

Earth wasn’t necessary to Zod’s plan.

Omni Man stopped cause of character reasons. He was wrestling with how to explain to him what was going on all season. Earth had changed him even if he didn’t want to admit it.

 

[Silver Surfer]

Zod forced Superman hand...he literally said you got have to kill me to save them, right?

 

[Fletch]

Yes and Superheroes should kill more often, more lives could be spared since 90% of the time it’s repeat offender villains who escaped jail

 

[Trapperman Dave]

Yeap and I hope he does again