Are the warriors making 30+ 3s a game now, thats 90 points . the Lakers are breaking 110
Magic said his Lakers would "blow out" the current Warriors
- Thread starter The Devil's Advocate
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Many just watched highlights. I watched the games, the NBA game has completely advanced from the 80's. The game is nothing like it was bad then. I see MJ do the same move four times in a row after the other team already should know that's MJ's favorite move. Not to mention the lack of length and the American white guards
UpAndComing
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The 2008 Celtics would destroy these current Warriors
ahomeplateslugger
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i really like that celtics team but
their perimeter D would struggle and with rondo, tony allen or perkins in the game it would kill their offense/spacing similar to what happened to memphis. i think the celtics were getting killed on the perimeter during that playoff run by the hawks and pistons. i know joe johnson was going off on them in his series and rip and billups were getting their shots too.this would be a good and entertaining series tho. i think their "small" lineup would match-up well with the warriors.
KG
Posey
Pierce
Ray
Rondo
street heat
merchant of death
these 80s/90s era vs the warriors is getting ridiculous. you can't compare the different eras because the old teams didn't have the information and stats present today. if 80s/90s players had the green light to shoot 3s then who knows what kind of numbers they would put up and what style of ball they'll play. just looked up some numbers on this and this is crazy...
3PA/game
80 - 2
81 - 2.3
82 - 2.3
83 - 2.4
84 - 3.3
85 - 3.3
86 - 4.7
87 - 5
88 - 6.6
89 - 6.6
90 - 7.1
finally starts to crack double digit by 93 at 9.9
2015 - 23.8
so you think if those 80s teams shot more 3s they would be able to make them at the same clip as todays teams?
not happening. just more bricks for the warriors to start a fast break
UpAndComing
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i really like that celtics team but
this would be a good and entertaining series tho. i think their "small" lineup would match-up well with the warriors.
KG
Posey
Pierce
Ray
Rondo
Wait wait, did you just compare the Memphis Grizzlies team with the 2008 Championship Celtics?
ahomeplateslugger
Superstar
so you think if those 80s teams shot more 3s they would be able to make them at the same clip as todays teams?
not happening. just more bricks for the warriors to start a fast break
yes. there were great shooters in the past just like there are great shooters today. if players like isiah thomas, bird, jordan, drexler, magic, etc had the same information as today's players, worked on their 3 and played at a faster pace then they would be just as good or better at it. is it really hard to believe some of the greatest players of all time can't develop a 3 or play in this new style? if players from the past shot between 35-40% and take 6 3s a game then that'll be considered good.
coaches played a conservative style and typically had two "traditional" big men on the floor at the same time. the game just evolved because of the stats, analytics and scouting. the stretch 4/5 and corner 3 is what's hot now. you can't compare the different eras.
Wait wait, did you just compare the Memphis Grizzlies team with the 2008 Championship Celtics?
i compared the spacing issues that the celtics would face
tony allen, rondo and perkins would be out of place out vs the warriors. go back and watch the celtics vs the lakers in the 2010 finals. they sagged off of rondo and wanted him to shoot and that killed them. in fact you can watch the kings right now and see that teams are doing the same thing and that's probably why cousin's is shooting a lot of 3s now. everyone talks about rondo's defense but defenders were blowing past him and KG had to save him. that's not gonna work vs curry and the spacing of the warriors.
UpAndComing
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yes. there were great shooters in the past just like there are great shooters today. if players like isiah thomas, bird, jordan, drexler, magic, etc had the same information as today's players, worked on their 3 and played at a faster pace then they would be just as good or better at it. is it really hard to believe some of the greatest players of all time can't develop a 3 or play in this new style? if players from the past shot between 35-40% and take 6 3s a game then that'll be considered good.
coaches played a conservative style and typically had two "traditional" big men on the floor at the same time. the game just evolved because of the stats, analytics and scouting. the stretch 4/5 and corner 3 is what's hot now. you can't compare the different eras.
i compared the spacing issues that the celtics would face
Obviously you don't watch the Celtics. Rasheed Wallace came on that year and played alot of minutes in the center position, and Perkins played less
What made the Celtics lose was the refs in Game 7. Celtics up by 13 with min to go, then all of a sudden they start calling fouls on the Celitcs and excusing calls for the Lakers. Wanna video proof, or we good?
street heat
merchant of death
yes. there were great shooters in the past just like there are great shooters today. if players like isiah thomas, bird, jordan, drexler, magic, etc had the same information as today's players, worked on their 3 and played at a faster pace then they would be just as good or better at it. is it really hard to believe some of the greatest players of all time can't develop a 3 or play in this new style? if players from the past shot between 35-40% and take 6 3s a game then that'll be considered good.
coaches played a conservative style and typically had two "traditional" big men on the floor at the same time. the game just evolved because of the stats, analytics and scouting. the stretch 4/5 and corner 3 is what's hot now. you can't compare the different eras.
i compared the spacing issues that the celtics would face
shooting is better today than its ever been. and we arent talking about all great players from the 80s, we are talking the lakers specifically. so magic, scott, worthy, are just going to start draining 3s like steph and klay?
id be shocked if they could even shoot 30% as a team significantly increasing their 3pt attempts like that. you cant beat a team that makes lots of 3s making 2s, unless you just get to the FT line a crazy amount of times and force lots of turnovers.
The Devil's Advocate
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Hate hyperbole then use hyperbole brehs
so you think if those 80s teams shot more 3s they would be able to make them at the same clip as todays teams?
not happening. just more bricks for the warriors to start a fast break
I'm not sure why its so hard to believe that the best players in the world would be able to make 3 pointers at a high percentage if the shot was valued like it is today. Shooting is all about muscle memory, it has nothing do with size, speed agility etc. it's just a skill that requires repetition to master.
The Devil's Advocate
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What's funny to me is Lebron minus kyrie and love were up 2-1 in the finals
The warriors are not undefeated. So 2016 teams have beat them on a given night.
And yet we have people acting like the greatest teams of all time, would not even have a legit shot of winning.
The 2015 cavs minus 2 of their best had a shot at winning. The 2015 bucks beat them. The 2016 sixers came within 2 points of beating them
But Jordan, pippen, Rodman and Phil Jackson wouldn't do shyt or figure out a game plan
4-5 hall of fame lakers and 2 of top 5 of all time would just be out there lost
It's like you guys think nikkas are just dumb or something. Like they gonna just stand out there and be bewildered with no clue how to make any changes in gameplan nor play style
When less than a year ago you watched dela fukking dova shut down steph for 2 games straight
The warriors are not undefeated. So 2016 teams have beat them on a given night.
And yet we have people acting like the greatest teams of all time, would not even have a legit shot of winning.
The 2015 cavs minus 2 of their best had a shot at winning. The 2015 bucks beat them. The 2016 sixers came within 2 points of beating them
But Jordan, pippen, Rodman and Phil Jackson wouldn't do shyt or figure out a game plan
4-5 hall of fame lakers and 2 of top 5 of all time would just be out there lost
It's like you guys think nikkas are just dumb or something. Like they gonna just stand out there and be bewildered with no clue how to make any changes in gameplan nor play style
When less than a year ago you watched dela fukking dova shut down steph for 2 games straight
Talk about last year brehs.
The Knicks with their shytty offense were up 2-0 on the Bulls during the first three peat, the Pacers took the second three peat Bulls to 7, and their offense was terrible by todays standards as well.
Using the struggles of a young team in their first finals is retarded, this year they look like a championship team that believes in themselves, but last year matters more.....unless you point out they won the title, then it was just them getting lucky.
street heat
merchant of death
being a great player doesnt mean you are a great shooter. how are players that barely took 3s supposed to keep up with teams that use it as a means of destruction? lakers aint blowing out a 46-4 team thats unlike any team they have ever faced.
ahomeplateslugger
Superstar
Obviously you don't watch the Celtics. Rasheed Wallace came on that year and played alot of minutes in the center position, and Perkins played less
What made the Celtics lose was the refs in Game 7. Celtics up by 13 with min to go, then all of a sudden they start calling fouls on the Celitcs and excusing calls for the Lakers. Wanna video proof, or we good?
i'm fully aware of that. i used the 2010 celtics as an example because i remember thinking to myself rondo cost them that series because he couldn't hit those 10-15 ft jumpers. the warriors would do the same thing vs that 08 celtics team.
i remember gasol and kobe rebounding + artest stepping up in the 4th was the reason but whatever makes you sleep better at night
this is why you can't compare the two eras. coaches in the past considered shooting 3s reckless but coaches and stats will say the corner 3 is one of the most efficient shots you can take. you have players running to the corner for a 3 during a fast break waiting for the pass. if this information was around in the 80s then who knows how the league would've looked back then. just imagine jordan, isiah or anyone else for that matter pulling up for a 3 or running to the corner waiting for the pass
the game is just different in this generaiton.idk if the lakers will be able to keep up with the warriors or not, but i'll say no team is gonna be able to hit the 3 like this warriors team because they're an anomaly. curry is the greatest shooter of all time and klay is one of the greatest shooters ever and the fast-pace/7 seconds or less offense is perfect for the new era of 3s and space and pace ball
it's just not fair to compare the two eras.