maat ra nubian... should Egyptian culture, be something that WE consider OUR history?

[Mr Bubbles]

LOL read the comments on that reddit post




lol cac basically copping pleas and making up crazy theories, saying Ramesses might have came back as black, because his momma cheated and got some black dikk

Instead the simplest conclusion that his dad, granddad, great granddad were black.

Dude, the mental gymnastics they are doing in that thread. Everything to explain why his DNA came up black. Genetic mutations, 1 black ancestor. They are half a step away from saying aliens built it like they do with the pyramids.

 

[Marvel]

Yeah ofcourse, but at the same time we KNOW we came from west africa. But they wanna rep mythological shyt from 4000yrs ago, tryna look outside ourselves for guidance.

West Africa is our history.

The real egyptians are somalians, eritreans, ethiopians, sudanese and the southern egyptians from aswan

embrace our west african heritage

Somalians, Eritreans and Ethiopians are not descendants of Ancient Egyptians.

 

[↓R↑LYB]

LOL read the comments on that reddit post




lol cac basically copping pleas and making up crazy theories, saying Ramesses might have came back as black, because his momma cheated and got some black dikk

Instead the simplest conclusion that his dad, granddad, great granddad were black.

At least they've moved on from thinking aliens have done it

 

[3rdWorld]

Blacks need to own shyt..allowing nasty pasty ass european cave dwellers to claim African when your ass is too dumb to realise why..

 

[WaveGang]

West africa didn't evolve in isolation of other parts of Africa genius. Go read a book or ten on African history, then come back and post friend.

I didn't say it did to be honest. We both know Black people of the diaspora have a habit of looking outside of themselves for salvation.

People saying we're the Egyptians and shyt, when the real; egyptians are still alive.

It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, like homie said we gotta live for the here and now and make change

 

[Samori Toure]

I notice a ton of conscious folk... gravitating towards that ancient culture.

I notice most amerikkan blacks who hype of africa in general usually say We build this and We did that... and are usually speaking on north africa.


People claim that most american blacks come from west africa

So should we be trying so hard to claim these cultures?

Ummmm, the people of West Africa migrated to West Africa from the North and East Africa. Scientist believe that the migration occurred because the Sahara grassland dried up and became a desert.

http://www.messagetoeagle.com/greensahara.php

So when the constant warfare in Egypt was added to the disappearance of the grassland around Egypt; it is clear that a lot of people migrated to the South and the West in Africa.

The oral tradition of Yoruba and Igbo people of modern day Nigeria claim that both groups are from Egypt. The Igbo oral tradition goes even further and claims that they are Jews from the line of Jacob.

http://dierklange.com/pdf/LOST_TRIBES_OF_ISRAEL.pdf
http://www.raceandhistory.com/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_config.pl?md=read;id=2139
http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/01/world/africa/nigeria-jews-igbo/index.html

Additionally, the Bantu people are from Egypt and they even even appear to share linguistic ties with ancient Egyptians.
https://books.google.com/books?id=B...#v=onepage&q=are the bantu from egypt&f=false

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sh...gyptian-Nile-Valley-Origins-of-Bantu-Speakers

The Bantu's having linguistic ties to Egypt would appear to be very significant because the Bantu for whatever reason settled next to the Igbo people in what we now call Southeastern Nigeria and Western Cameroon. It was from Igboland that the Bantu started one of the greatest migrations in human history by settling all of Central and Southern Africa. All the way from Cameroon in the west Southern Ethiopia and Kenya in the East to Congo, Angola, Tanzania, Ugunda and everything South to modern day South Africa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu_expansion

It is the Yoruba, Igbo and Bantu that the most slaves were taken during slavery era, which is why African scholars tie Sub Saharan Africans to ancient Egypt. In addition to other things including customs.

Now what is funny to me is that White people over the last few hundred years have spent an inordinate amount of time trying to prove that the Egyptians are different than the other Africans. They have done this despite knowing that the Nubians and the Egyptians were long time trading partners and enemies that conquered each others kingdoms. The Nubian people are from Southern Egypt and the Sudan. The Nubians conquered Egypt and established the 25th dynasty in Egypt. Hell they even have pyramids in the Sudan just like they have in Egypt. So clearly the people of Egypt and the Sudan are related. And we know that the people of the Sudan are truly Black people, which means that the Egyptians were too. In fact Egyptians

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubians
http://www.pbs.org/wonders/Episodes/Epi1/1_retel1.htm
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/02/0227_030227_sudankings_2.html
http://www.livescience.com/26903-35-ancient-pyramids-sudan.html
http://www.slate.com/blogs/atlas_obscura/2014/08/29/the_nubian_meroe_pyramids_in_sudan.html

The irony of White scholars today trying to prove that Egyptians were not Black is clear folly considering that a White scholar 4,000 years ago from Greece who actually saw the Egyptians; said that they were Black people. That scholar's name was Herodotus. He had no doubt what color they were or who started their kingships; because he said the people from the South of them did (we call them Sudanesse people, he just called them Ethiopians).

http://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Heroegy.html
http://articles.philly.com/1994-12-17/news/25852935_1_egyptians-black-skinned-Herodotus

Another historian Diodorus of Sicily who say the Egyptians said the same thing. Diodorus stated that the Egyptians were Black people with wooly hair. He also stated the Egyptians were actually Ethiopians who were sent out to settle the land of Northern Egypt.


https://books.google.com/books?id=w...ly said that the egyptians were black&f=false

The funniest part to me is that normally so called scholars would take the word of historians like Herodotus and Diodorus as proof that something was like what they saw. There would be no questions about it; but White scholars today are basically saying that that Herodotus and Diodorus are liars. They are saying this even though Heroduts and Diodorus actually saw the Egyptians and they lived and traveled throughout Egypt. The White Scholars today looking at Egyptian people are seeing the result of Greek, Roman and Arabs, who themselves were mixed due to the large number of White women in their harems.

 

[Samori Toure]

I didn't say it did to be honest. We both know Black people of the diaspora have a habit of looking outside of themselves for salvation.

People saying we're the Egyptians and shyt, when the real; egyptians are still alive.

It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, like homie said we gotta live for the here and now and make change

LOL. The real Egyptians were the Nuba people of modern day Southern Egypt and the Sudan. The Nuba people even had pyramids and wrote in heiraglyphs.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/atlas_obscura/2014/08/29/the_nubian_meroe_pyramids_in_sudan.html
http://www.ancientsudan.org/writing_01_early_nubian.htm
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Nubia.aspx

The people of Nubia invaded Egypt and set up the 25th dynasty in Egypt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Dynasty_of_Egypt

The other people that you think are the real Egyptians are actually invaders. That is the thing; Egypt was invaded a lot including by the Greeks, Romans, Arabs, French and the English and there were plenty more; but the key thing to remember is that those invasion happened long after Egypt's days of glory.

Btw, another thing that most people don't know about Egyptians is that they did the Arab Harem thing before the Arabs did it. The Egyptians warred against the Hittites and took a number of slaves who may have been Slavic. We get the word slave from phrase "slav" which refers to the Slavic people of modern day Poland, Russia, Yugoslavia and other Countries in Central and Eastern Europe. And the Egyptians eventually mixed with the white skinned yellow haired women just like the Arabs did in their conquests. It is the kids that those harems produced that make White people think that Egyptians and the Arabs where white; when in fact the White people in those groups are either descended from the slave white women or by later white invaders like Greeks and Romans who set up their own lines of Pharaohs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hittites
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavs
http://www.ancientmilitary.com/ancient-slavs.htm

By the way if you notice the later migrations to West Africa by our ancestors; all of their oral history points back to them migrating from Egypt.

 

[KingMalik]

LOL read the comments on that reddit post




lol cac basically copping pleas and making up crazy theories, saying Ramesses might have came back as black, because his momma cheated and got some black dikk

Instead the simplest conclusion that his dad, granddad, great granddad were black.

In a country that's IN Africa no less

A couple hundred miles away from literally the blackest people on planet Earth Blacker than Eddie Murphy Black. Blue Black

No. No way they were black too

 

[Samori Toure]

You mean like these two British/Scottish actors portraying Ancient Greeks eventhough there's 2,000 miles between their regions

LOL. True. Or how about Russell Crowe from England/New Zealand/Australia playing a Roman General in Gladiator.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0172495/?ref_=nv_sr_1

 

[Samori Toure]

This

The fact of the matter is that---Sub-Saharans--have a much different history

No they don't. People migrated into West Africa from North Africa and from East Africa when the Sahara desert dried up a few thousand years ago. That is why West African societies and artwork is much younger than East African societies and artwork. There are also why there are rock paintings and proof of former human settlement in the Sahara desert, especially around Egypt.

http://www.eduplace.com/parents/socsci/ca/books/bkf3/reviews/pdfs/LS_6_06_03.pdf

West Africans are nothing more than North Africans that moved West first and then South into the forest belt. There was another migration called the Bantu migration that people migrated from present day Nigeria and Cameroon all the way south to Angola, Congo and South Africa and all the way east to Southern Ethiopia Kenya, Uganda and on and on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu_expansion

Another weird thing about the migration into West Africa is a group like the Akan people didn't settle directly into Ghana and the Ivory Coast. The Akan people actually went all the way west first and they were apart of the Ghana Empire which covers a bunch of countries in the Sahara desert in West Africa, including Senegal. The Akan people actually migrated into the forest belt of what we call Ghana and the Ivory Coast about 900 to 1,000 years ago. Which is where they have been every since.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akan_people

 

[Samori Toure]

not too keen on that dikkriding Egypt shyt, but there has been only one official DNA test done on any Egyptian pharaoh, that was Ramesses III, and he came back as being part of the e1b1a haplogroup.

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskAnthropology/comments/2xxdeo/what_are_the_implications_of_ramesses_iii/

If you're a black person in the USA there is an overwhelming chance that you are also part of that haplogroup, to make it simpler, if a horrible crime happened and the only DNA on the scene was Ramesses III's DNA, law enforcement would mostly be looking for black males, even though "the Egyptians weren't black!". Take it how you wanna take it

The Egyptians were Blacks. They were Nubians. Ancient historians Herodotus, Diodorus and Strabo all said that the Egyptians were Black.

The Nubians are in Southern Egypt and modern day Sudan. One of Egypt's modern President's, Anwar Sadat, was a Nubian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_Sadat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubians

 

[Samori Toure]

Somalians, Eritreans and Ethiopians are not descendants of Ancient Egyptians.

When you say Ethiopians I think that you mean Abyssinians. No the Abyssinians of the modern day Country of Ethiopia were not Egyptians. How the Ethiopians meaning the Black people from Southern Egypt and the Sudan were the Egyptians.

 

[Blackking]

Ummmm, the people of West Africa migrated to West Africa from the North and East Africa. Scientist believe that the migration occurred because the Sahara grassland dried up and became a desert.

http://www.messagetoeagle.com/greensahara.php

So when the constant warfare in Egypt was added to the disappearance of the grassland around Egypt; it is clear that a lot of people migrated to the South and the West in Africa.

The oral tradition of Yoruba and Igbo people of modern day Nigeria claim that both groups are from Egypt. The Igbo oral tradition goes even further and claims that they are Jews from the line of Jacob.

http://dierklange.com/pdf/LOST_TRIBES_OF_ISRAEL.pdf
http://www.raceandhistory.com/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_config.pl?md=read;id=2139
http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/01/world/africa/nigeria-jews-igbo/index.html

Additionally, the Bantu people are from Egypt and they even even appear to share linguistic ties with ancient Egyptians.
https://books.google.com/books?id=BeOVBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA38&lpg=PA38&dq=are the bantu from egypt&source=bl&ots=k719uW06wy&sig=D26HKJ3Lz1RsZiQ1cmwJI7BetSY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0axWVavsOoqRyQTNmIGoAQ&ved=0CB0Q6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=are the bantu from egypt&f=false

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sh...gyptian-Nile-Valley-Origins-of-Bantu-Speakers

The Bantu's having linguistic ties to Egypt would appear to be very significant because the Bantu for whatever reason settled next to the Igbo people in what we now call Southeastern Nigeria and Western Cameroon. It was from Igboland that the Bantu started one of the greatest migrations in human history by settling all of Central and Southern Africa. All the way from Cameroon in the west Southern Ethiopia and Kenya in the East to Congo, Angola, Tanzania, Ugunda and everything South to modern day South Africa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu_expansion

It is the Yoruba, Igbo and Bantu that the most slaves were taken during slavery era, which is why African scholars tie Sub Saharan Africans to ancient Egypt. In addition to other things including customs.

Now what is funny to me is that White people over the last few hundred years have spent an inordinate amount of time trying to prove that the Egyptians are different than the other Africans. They have done this despite knowing that the Nubians and the Egyptians were long time trading partners and enemies that conquered each others kingdoms. The Nubian people are from Southern Egypt and the Sudan. The Nubians conquered Egypt and established the 25th dynasty in Egypt. Hell they even have pyramids in the Sudan just like they have in Egypt. So clearly the people of Egypt and the Sudan are related. And we know that the people of the Sudan are truly Black people, which means that the Egyptians were too. In fact Egyptians

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubians
http://www.pbs.org/wonders/Episodes/Epi1/1_retel1.htm
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/02/0227_030227_sudankings_2.html
http://www.livescience.com/26903-35-ancient-pyramids-sudan.html
http://www.slate.com/blogs/atlas_obscura/2014/08/29/the_nubian_meroe_pyramids_in_sudan.html

The irony of White scholars today trying to prove that Egyptians were not Black is clear folly considering that a White scholar 4,000 years ago from Greece who actually saw the Egyptians; said that they were Black people. That scholar's name was Herodotus. He had no doubt what color they were or who started their kingships; because he said the people from the South of them did (we call them Sudanesse people, he just called them Ethiopians).

http://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Heroegy.html
http://articles.philly.com/1994-12-17/news/25852935_1_egyptians-black-skinned-Herodotus

Another historian Diodorus of Sicily who say the Egyptians said the same thing. Diodorus stated that the Egyptians were Black people with wooly hair. He also stated the Egyptians were actually Ethiopians who were sent out to settle the land of Northern Egypt.


https://books.google.com/books?id=w-E_AAAAYAAJ&pg=PA30&lpg=PA30&dq=diodorus of sicily said that the egyptians were black&source=bl&ots=favy1hldJ-&sig=Zn3b7cMrANTMXf-_Q4XqCxgRf7s&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2rtWVe6bOY73yQTHw4DQBA&ved=0CEEQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=diodorus of sicily said that the egyptians were black&f=false

The funniest part to me is that normally so called scholars would take the word of historians like Herodotus and Diodorus as proof that something was like what they saw. There would be no questions about it; but White scholars today are basically saying that that Herodotus and Diodorus are liars. They are saying this even though Heroduts and Diodorus actually saw the Egyptians and they lived and traveled throughout Egypt. The White Scholars today looking at Egyptian people are seeing the result of Greek, Roman and Arabs, who themselves were mixed due to the large number of White women in their harems.

Great post....

 

[Blackking]

When you say Ethiopians I think that you mean Abyssinians. No the Abyssinians of the modern day Country of Ethiopia were not Egyptians. How the Ethiopians meaning the Black people from Southern Egypt and the Sudan were the Egyptians.

The egyptians were Sudanese. ..

Other than that I agree

 

[Samori Toure]

The egyptians were Sudanese. ..

Other than that I agree

I think that the word Sudan is Arabic and it is fairly modern. The people in what we now call the Sudan were called Nubian and/or Kushytes and the lands were called Nubia and/or Kush. The Greeks referred to all black people as Ethiopians, but in real terms they were referring to the Egyptians and the Nubians/Kushytes; because that is who they dealt with.

Now people of Abyssinia renamed their Country Ethiopia just last Century. To make things even more complicated Somalia, Abyssinia and Eritrea were also known as Punt. Hard to keep up with all of those names.
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/punt.htm