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Yet you're not acknowledging that he got them a high seed in the first place despite the litany of injuries. The argument at the moment isn't if James is best in the league it's how come Blake can't hold his own as others have done in the past in similar circumstances? :jawalrus:
@GilSho purposefully didn't mention that not all those injuries happened at once, like what's occurred this season for the Clippers. The Rockets in '14/'15 never had a situation where they had to regularly start an equal lineup to: Rivers, Thornwell and W.Johnson (the worst in the league) to match other teams perimeter play - especially given the climate where running the offense and 3-pt shooting is at an all-time high.

The Rockets also had a better-equipped bench, whereas the Clippers basically have Lou Will and that's it. This is all parlayed by the fact that the Rockets managed to erase a near-20 point deficit while Harden remained on the bench in an elimination game.
 
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@GilSho purposefully didn't mention that not all those injuries didn't happen at once, like what's occurred this season for the Clippers. The Rockets in '14/'15 never had a situation where they had to regularly start an equal lineup to: Rivers, Thornwell and W.Johnson (the worst in the league) to match other teams perimeter play - especially given the climate where running the offense and 3-pt shooting is at an all-time high.

The Rockets also had a better-equipped bench, whereas the Clippers basically have Lou Will and that's it. This is all parlayed by the fact that the Rockets managed to erase a near-20 point deficit while Harden remained on the bench in an elimination game.
If Teodosic and Gallinari are healthy, are you going to hold it against Blake if they lose in the 1st round of the playoffs or miss the postseason entirely?

This thread was made as a result of a few early wins, particularly trash suns and Lakers teams. They aren't that good, healthy or not :manny:
 

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@GilSho purposefully didn't mention that not all those injuries didn't happen at once, like what's occurred this season for the Clippers. The Rockets in '14/'15 never had a situation where they had to regularly start an equal lineup to: Rivers, Thornwell and W.Johnson (the worst in the league) to match other teams perimeter play - especially given the climate where running the offense and 3-pt shooting is at an all-time high.

The Rockets also had a better-equipped bench, whereas the Clippers basically have Lou Will and that's it. This is all parlayed by the fact that the Rockets managed to erase a near-20 point deficit while Harden remained on the bench in an elimination game.

It's time for you to stop this bull shyt narrative becuz in 2015 the Rockets went to the WCF which means they won 8 games in the offs and took 1 from GSW. That's 9 wins yet you nitpick at 1 win the Rockets got when McHale found lightening in a bottle without Harden on the floor. Would the Rockets have won those other 8 playoff games without Harden on the floor?

Answer this and don't come back with no shut up, my reading comprehension is off or I don't know what I'm talking about.

And I'm still waiting for that type up of Steph Curry's 4th quarter in game 7 of the 2016 Finals :ufdup:
 
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If Teodosic and Gallinari are healthy, are you going to hold it against Blake if they lose in the 1st round of the playoffs or miss the postseason entirely?

This thread was made as a result of a few early wins, particularly trash suns and Lakers teams. They aren't that good, healthy or not :manny:
Like I said above, this all goes back to my original point - Blake is/was better off with a Lillard/Kyrie-type of PG, rather than one who dominates the ball and isn't aggressive offensively. Now idiots have turned into a comparison of Austin Rivers v. CP3 - which is hilarious considering that they don't even know it. I never made any projection about how good this team can/will be.
 
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It's time for you to stop this bull shyt narrative becuz in 2015 the Rockets went to the WCF which means they won 8 games in the offs and took 1 from GSW. That's 9 wins yet you nitpick at 1 win the Rockets got when McHale found lightening in a bottle without Harden on the floor. Would the Rockets have won those other 8 playoff games without Harden on the floor?

Answer this and don't come back with no shut up, my reading comprehension is off or I don't know what I'm talking about.

And I'm still waiting for that type up of Steph Curry's 4th quarter in game 7 of the 2016 Finals :ufdup:
You already admitted defeat to me last postseason, I don't know why you keep trying to get my attention.

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You already admitted defeat to me last postseason, I don't know why you keep trying to get my attention.

:hubie:

Last year is last year and this ain't about getting your attention this is about putting a stop to your bull shyt narratives and giving full uh oh CONTEXT. Now answer the question. Would the Rockets have won those other 8 playoff games from 2015 without Harden?
 

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Like I said above, this all goes back to my original point - Blake is/was better off with a Lillard/Kyrie-type of PG, rather than one who dominates the ball and isn't aggressive offensively. Now idiots have turned into a comparison of Austin Rivers v. CP3 - which is hilarious considering that they don't even know it. I never made any projection about how good this team can/will be.
The original thread seems to be based on the Clippers being better without CP3 and a bunch of people pushed their chips in based on early returns . I'm not sure where Lillard/Kyrie came up because it will be 15-20 years before Doc signs either of them.
 
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Last year is last year and this ain't about getting your attention this is about putting a stop to your bull shyt narratives and giving full uh oh CONTEXT. Now answer the question. Would the Rockets have won those other 8 playoff games from 2015 without Harden?
How are they bullshyt when you admitted to them being right?

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The original thread seems to be based on the Clippers being better without CP3 and a bunch of people pushed their chips in based on early returns . I'm not sure where Lillard/Kyrie came up because it will be 15-20 years before Doc signs either of them.
That's been my original point long before this thread was even made. This is going back years now. I didn't expect this team to keep winning at the rate the started the season off, especially since they've been down three starters.
 

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How are they bullshyt when you admitted to them being right?

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Notice I'm answering your questions. But this narrative of Game 6 vs the Clippers. It was game 6 the Rockets won 2 games in that series before that AND they had to go back home and win game 7. Game 6 wasn't the end all be all but you treat it as if it was the only game played in that postseason.

Harden no doubt has had his struggles in the postseason but as a Rockets fan and with CP3, PJ Tucker, Mbah a Moute and an improved Capela I am optimistic about them it's part of being a fan.

But again would the Rockets have won those other 8 playoff games from 2015 without Harden?
 
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Notice I'm answering your questions. But this narrative of Game 6 vs the Clippers. It was game 6 the Rockets won 2 games in that series before that AND they had to go back home and win game 7. Game 6 wasn't the end all be all but you treat it as if it was the only game played in that postseason.

Harden no doubt has had his struggles in the postseason but as a Rockets fan and with CP3, PJ Tucker, Mbah a Moute and an improved Capela I am optimistic about them it's part of being a fan.

But again would the Rockets have won those other 8 playoff games from 2015 without Harden?
That was never my point.

I arguing against the notion that the players outside of Harden weren't good enough themselves - which @GilSho was insinuating as such.
 

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The original thread seems to be based on the Clippers being better without CP3 and a bunch of people pushed their chips in based on early returns . I'm not sure where Lillard/Kyrie came up because it will be 15-20 years before Doc signs either of them.
That's exactly what it is. Dumb people that dont understand basketball thought Chris Paul leading the Clippers to 50-some wins a year was holding them, and Blake specifically, back from achieving a higher level of success. After starting the year beating up on a few bad teams, these same dumb people decided that the 4-0 start was enough for them to declare "victory." Now reality has set in and Gil is scrambling to throw out every excuse, distraction and goalpost move he can think of rather than try being a normal, well-adjusted human for once and admit he got it wrong. He always does this. It's a condition.
 
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