Lupe Fiasco Calls Pres. Obama A Child Killer

[Type Username Here]

This is why I'm pretty disillusioned with politics. It's all just a game with two sports teams.

Yup, and the two teams are owned by the same owner.

I said it before, they knew what they were doing when they put a black man office, just a way to get more people to drink that American dream kool aid bs.

Hip-hop was one of the few movements that was against the establishment, now it's one of the backers.

Plan was genius

Judging by this website, and the dikk riding here, it worked. You have posters here who have admitted solely in supporting him because he is black. They don't care what he does.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I said it before, they knew what they were doing when they put a black man office, just a way to get more people to drink that American dream kool aid bs.

Hip-hop was one of the few movements that was against the establishment, now it's one of the backers.

Plan was genius

lol...hip-hop hasn't been anti-establishment for about two decades. Stop it.

 

[Type Username Here]

lol...hip-hop hasn't been anti-establishment for about two decades. Stop it.

I'd disagree.

Popular hip hop hasn't been but the underground cats have been anti-establishment for a long time.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I'd disagree.

Popular hip hop hasn't been but the underground cats have been anti-establishment for a long time.

Yeah, but were talking about overall. I know all the underground, I used to be one of those backpacker types that listened to almost nothing on a major label. But let's be real...underground is fringe and doesn't represent hip-hop as a whole and hasn't for looong time.

 

[Type Username Here]

Yeah, but were talking about overall. I know all the underground, I used to be one of those backpacker types that listened to almost nothing on a major label. But let's be real...underground is fringe and doesn't represent hip-hop as a whole and hasn't for looong time.

Nah, but even cats like Common, Nas, Black Thought, Talib, and to an extent Jay, were riding on Bush and political system overall very hard prior to 2007. They are some of Obama's fiercest backers, even as Obama is carrying on a lot of the war policies and violations of rights as Bush.

I can pull up some examples of lyrics from these cats if you want proof.

 

[LastEmperor2k2]

lol...hip-hop hasn't been anti-establishment for about two decades. Stop it.

Really, I guess you forgot vote or die and the anti-bush movement in the 2000's.

So Jay and Nas, the two biggest artists of hip-hop for that duration were pro-establishment?

I guess we forget Mosh by Eminem as well. Or "Bush knocked down the towers"

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Nah, but even cats like Common, Nas, Black Thought, Talib, and to an extent Jay, were riding on Bush and political system overall very hard prior to 2007. They are some of Obama's fiercest backers, even as Obama is carrying on a lot of the war policies and violations of rights as Bush.

I can pull up some examples of lyrics from these cats if you want proof.

Yeah, but again Black Thought, Common etc. don't represent any mainstream hip-hop movement.

And sure, but again like I told Jello Biafra, most people were furious at Bush for the Iraq War. He invaded a country, killed a bunch of people, got stuck in a quagmire and charged almost $1 trillion on the national credit card all for some Project for a New American Century/neocon/defense contractor wet dream and lied about the reasons why. I know that's what I was pissed about, and most people were. I supported military action in Afghanistan, though I didn't see the point of massive carpet bombings on a desert, and I think its past time it needs to be rapped up.

There wasn't that type of upheaval and anger over Afghanistan and drone bombings.

 

[LastEmperor2k2]

Yeah, but were talking about overall. I know all the underground, I used to be one of those backpacker types that listened to almost nothing on a major label. But let's be real...underground is fringe and doesn't represent hip-hop as a whole and hasn't for looong time.

Even the mainstream may not have been fight the system, but they weren't propping the system up like nowadays.

You got Jay and Common (of all fukking people) singing songs in the white house now

 

[Type Username Here]

Yea, Common went from "We got arms but won't reach for the sky" to being Obama's mouthpiece, all while he is signing the orders to do exactly what Bush did, and to certain extents, expand on it.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Really, I guess you forgot vote or die and the anti-bush movement in the 2000's.

So Jay and Nas, the two biggest artists of hip-hop for that duration were pro-establishment?

lol@Vote or die being anti-establishment. It was anti-Bush, that's all. Jay and Nas are fukking rappers. They're not leaders of any kind of social movement. And they were not the two biggest stars? Nas was bigger than Eminem? Nelly?

Jay was leading an anti-establishment social movement in the 2000's?

I guess we forget Mosh by Eminem as well. Or "Bush knocked down the towers"

Yeah, a lame song by Eminem and a line by Jadakiss on a song that wasn't even a hit. Yeah, that was really a powerful anti-establishment social movement.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Even the mainstream may not have been fight the system, but they weren't propping the system up like nowadays.

You got Jay and Common (of all fukking people) singing songs in the white house now

The notion that hip-hop was anti-establishment and fighting the system in the 2000's is complete, utter bullshyt. I can't believe you're even trying to argue this. Look at the biggest hits during the decade.

H.O.V.A.
The Real Slim Shady
Hot In Here
In Da Club
Salt Shaker

I could go on. That's powerful revolutionary, anti-establishment messaging there.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Yea, Common went from "We got arms but won't reach for the sky" to being Obama's mouthpiece, all while he is signing the orders to do exactly what Bush did, and to certain extents, expand on it.

When did Common ever say he was against drone bombings? When did Common ever say he's against the Afghanistan War? When did Common ever say he was against voting for the two party system?

Again, you're conflating things.

 

[Jello Biafra]

Most peoples' grievance with Bush Jr. was the Iraq War, not the Afghanistan war or drone bombings.

Doesn't matter what the grievances are when the defensive tactics devolve to "If you don't like it leave the country" or the idiotic "Trust the president because he is privy to info we don't get to see" line of thought.

 

[88m3]

Speaking truth to power = being a diva?

Wow. I guess Public Enemy were divas too

Lasers

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

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