Luka Doncic traded to Lakers for Anthony Davis (Shams) He might be hacked?? IDK* ITS REAL DAMMIT

[Stick Up Kid]

idk man, if all sides are healthy, i think Mavs won the trade.

Lakers are historically bad at defense.

 

[10bandz]

Former Mavericks executive goes off on Patrick Dumont over Luka Doncic remarks

While the initial shock of the groundbreaking Luka Doncic trade -- that sent him from the Dallas Mavericks to the Los Angeles Lakers -- has worn, the impact of

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Former Dallas executive Bob Voulgaris, who serves as the director of quantitative research, took to The Dumb Zone Podcast to join that crowd in trying to make sense of an abysmal trade. He didn't just drag the trade, though. He was particularly harsh about Dumont as the owner of the club and his remarks on Luka Doncic.

"The people who were critiquing him had no business," Vouldgaris said bluntly. "Those people have not accomplished anything. Who are they to be talking about what it takes to win? That's the part that I found really offensive... You inherited a pretty good roster, generational superstars. Have a little bit more humility in knowing what it takes to win. Nico is in a tough position so I can empathize with him. But this is what we call generational collusion. It's what the Lakers are known for... the free throws the refs are gonna award the Lakers in the playoffs is gonna be the stuff of legends.

"But the owner, this guy is like the definition of... He married into money. This guy does not look like he's ever denied himself the luxury of an extra meal . So for him to talk about what it takes to win and to reference Shaq as the ultimate example is just so tone-deaf. Obviously, you managed to marry into this amazing family that has a lot of money. Great, congratulations.

What makes the comments even crazier is Bob and Luka didn't even get along, he was Mark's boy but he had to leave cuz Luka hated him.

 

[10bandz]

Hes right but hes been milking his two minutes of Mavs experience like a m'fer.

He bought a soccer team in Spain

 

[cheapshot]

What makes the comments even crazier is Bob and Luka didn't even get along, he was Mark's boy but he had to leave cuz Luka hated him.

I might be crazy but I always thought those NBA office jobs were super relaxed. How does a researcher have beef with an active player?

 

[Flex Luger]

idk man, if all sides are healthy, i think Mavs won the trade.

Lakers are historically bad at defense.

WOAT

 

[10bandz]

I might be crazy but I always thought those NBA office jobs were super relaxed. How does a researcher have beef with an active player?

Bob was basically the shadow GM. Mark loved him. Luka didn't like his attitude.

The Athletic did a big story about it

Inside the Mavericks front office, Mark Cuban’s shadow GM is causing a rift with Luka Doncic

It’s not that Doncic’s situation with the team is at a critical inflection point right now. It's the fear that it's headed that way.

www.nytimes.com

Four years later, Bob and Mark are both gone but Luka still gets traded.

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

I might be crazy but I always thought those NBA office jobs were super relaxed. How does a researcher have beef with an active player?

@10bandz Already posted the link. Here's the part you want.

It’s unclear when the Cuban and Voulgaris relationship began, but their coming together is perhaps unsurprising given Cuban’s origin as a self-made tech billionaire whose first major purchase was the Mavericks. Voulgaris has never been shy about his desire to run a team. In an ESPN feature from 2013, Voulgaris is quoted as saying, “The whole process (of becoming a highly successful gambler) has led me to believe that I’d be able to put together a better team than almost any general manager in the league. If not maybe all.”

The way Voulgaris tells it — the ESPN feature is the only notable reporting ever focused on him, and he declined an interview request from The Athletic shortly after being hired — he began gambling on the NBA in the late 1990s and had made millions by the early 2000s. His success, he says, came in part from an instinctual reading of certain coaches. It finally failed him during the 2003-04 season, causing him to lose much of his gambling wealth and step away temporarily, only returning once he’d developed an analytics model that brought back his old edge. He says he did exactly that, his new model beating the odds at a rate higher than five percent. In 2009, he gave up gambling again to consult for an unnamed NBA franchise. The advisory role lasted one season; he returned to his previous life afterward and began publicly promoting himself. In the coming years, he became a well-known presence in the basketball world.


Voulgaris spent a limited amount of time around the Mavericks during his first season of employment, attending about one-quarter of the team’s games. He attended fewer games the following season, but his imprint on the team’s roster grew substantially that offseason. It was Voulgaris who initiated the team’s acquisitions of Seth Curry and Delon Wright, with multiple sources telling The Athletic that Voulgaris believed Wright should start next to Doncic. “He was the only person that believed that,” one team source says. Wright did start the season opener before being moved to a full-time bench role the following game, barely playing in the team’s first-round defeat in the 2020 postseason. He was traded that offseason.

Because Voulgaris’ influence was greater than his official role, those within the front office — and executives around the league who interacted with them — were often confused about who actually held power. “We had two general managers,” a team source says. Nelson remained the team’s president of basketball operations, a role he has held since 2005, and other executives and agents continued largely communicating with him or Cuban regarding personnel matters. Nelson continued to spearhead major moves, including trades for Kristaps Porzingis and Tim Hardaway Jr. in 2019, Josh Richardson in 2020 and J.J. Redikk in 2021. But team sources say Voulgaris was supportive of the transactions — or explicitly approved them.

Multiple league and team sources point to the 2020 draft as a particularly egregious example of Voulgaris’ power, an evening one source described as “embarrassing.” Most members of the scouting department joined the team’s war room remotely through Zoom and were surprised when Voulgaris, attending in person, didn’t consult them for either of the team’s first two selections (Josh Green and Tyrell Terry) despite disagreements they held with at least one of the players he picked.


“What did (he) sell to Mark to make him believe (he) can do this?” asks one source with an intimate knowledge of the situation. “Nobody knows.”

It marked another throughline of Voulgaris’ tenure with the Mavericks: that his personality and decision making has steadily irritated and exasperated the team’s front office employees and players over the course of the three seasons he’s been employed. “He doesn’t know how to talk to people,” that same source says.

That’s best exemplified by Dallas’ franchise player disliking him. Doncic’s strained relationship with Voulgaris predated their incident in February, multiple sources say. It wasn’t the only incident, either. This season, Voulgaris attended his first game in mid January, frequently appearing courtside at home and also traveling with them on the road in the months that followed. In mid-April, during the final minute of a home defeat to the New York Knicks, Voulgaris was seen on the game’s broadcast footage standing up and leaving with about 45 seconds remaining. While the Mavericks were trailing by 10 points at the time, they cut the deficit to six and extended the game seven more possessions before eventually losing.

Doncic noticed Voulgaris’ early departure. In the locker room after the game, multiple league and team sources say he told teammates he viewed Voulgaris leaving before the game’s conclusion as him quitting on them. Voulgaris would not attend another game the rest of the year.

Multiple team sources confirm Voulgaris remained involved in the team’s gameplans and in-game adjustments in a remote role. But Voulgaris, who earlier this season appeared likelier than not to wrest further control over the front office and perhaps even drive out Nelson entirely, now heads into a summer with his contract set to expire and uncertainty surrounding his future.

When reached for comment on Monday, Cuban defended Voulgaris’ involvement. “I really like what Bob brings to the table. He does a great job of supporting Rick and the front office with unique data insights.”

Cuban added: “Bob has a great grasp of AI and the opportunities it creates for gaining an advantage. Which is important to me. But he isn’t any more influential than any other data source on the team.”

Voulgaris declined to comment for this story when reached on Sunday.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I know this may not be a concern to some of yall considering Luka averaged 34ppg last year, but according to Basketball-Reference, Luka only had 2 dunks last season. Compared to his rookie year when he had 25. He’s only 25 (going on 26). Sure his game may not rely on athleticism, but he does need to get in better shape to avoid these injuries that prevent him from doing anything athletic.

The fact he averaged 34ppg and only had two dunks should lead you to believe that his game should mature well, should it not? Why does he need to do athletic things when he's one of the best players in the league?

His injuries aren't due to the fact of him not being in shape, they're due to the fact of him playing pro ball since 16, not having a proper offseason and having too great of an offensive workload (which he's partly to blame for). You don't play as many minutes as he's had over the past decade, and not at that level without some sort of ailments.

He doesn't have the genetics for that. He's not Bron.

No matter what shape he gets in is going to stave off any potential injuries if he keeps going down the same trajectory he's been on.

And while he's not as explosive as he was during his rookie season, the moments of him doing athletic feats are going to be far and few between, because he has to deal with much greater defensive attention than he did when he was a rookie, he has to deal with a far greater workload than when he was a rookie, and because a championship is the ultimate goal, he has to pace himself throughout the course of a season, and not recklessly go for highlight athletic plays purely for the sake of (which you have the luxury of when you're a rookie).

 

[holidayinn21]

Blah blah blah injuries

The fact he averaged 34ppg and only had two dunks should lead you to believe that his game should mature well, should it not? Why does he need to do athletic things when he's one of the best players in the league?

His injuries aren't due to the fact of him not being in shape, they're due to the fact of him playing pro ball since 16, not having a proper offseason and having too great of an offensive workload (which he's partly to blame for). You don't play as many minutes as he's had over the past decade, and not at that level without some sort of ailments.

He doesn't have the genetics for that. He's not Bron.

No matter what shape he gets in is going to stave off any potential injuries if he keeps going down the same trajectory he's been on.

And while he's not as explosive as he was during his rookie season, the moments of him doing athletic feats are going to be far and few between, because he has to deal with much greater defensive attention than he did when he was a rookie, he has to deal with a far greater workload than when he was a rookie, and because a championship is the ultimate goal, he has to pace himself throughout the course of a season, and not recklessly go for highlight athletic plays purely for the sake of (which you have the luxury of when you're a rookie).

Look at your c00n ass.

Zion's weight is a problem, but Luka's isn't. But I forgot, Zion isn't a cac from Czechoslovakia, so you gonna criticize him

WOAT gonna WOAT

 

[Bryan Danielson]

 

[FakeNews]

He didnt know

 

[hood b. goode]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/g6XZs6JFfm

 

[THE 101]

Time to start that Mavs won the trade thread @Malcolmxxx_23

 

[Squirrel from Meteor Man]

Anybody looking at Luka run up the court last night should be able to see exactly what the Mavs were talking about

 

[Damnshow]

Anybody looking at Luka run up the court last night should be able to see exactly what the Mavs were talking about

And AD can't even run right now, he's on the injury list you should be able to see exactly why Lakers traded him instead of making him untouchable in any trades.