Lil Wayne calls Andre 3000's remarks about rapping over 40 "depressing"

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Andre comment was real and you're confusing his point. He's asking how does an old rapper talk about his day to day life and still make it interesting. He didn't say you can't be old and rap. It's about the content and how the audience connects to it.

Nas is 50 but he still mixes in old street stories into his music. Nas ain't been in the streets in decades. That's not his day to day. Ask him to make an album only talking about the present 50 year old Nas and I bet he'd have a harder time coming up with something because there's still a need to be cool and interesting. He'd probably say his current life is too boring to make into an album.

What is Wayne saying today that shows his age? A Wayne verse at 41 is a Wayne verse at 25.

Jadakiss is still talking about coke and street shyt at 48. You can go back to Money, Power, and Respect and it's the same Kiss.

Pusha still talking about coke at 46.

That's the case for most of rappers. They're not making songs about taking their kids to soccer practice and helping with homework. Dudes will be at home at night with their wives but get in the booth and rap about hoes. None of that is real. What good is rapping into your late 40's if you still have to act like you're in your 20's? You age but your content doesn't.

Dre was talking about making his current life into an album. Sure he could mix in stories about old shyt and just write random bars but that's not what he wants to do. He's not outside. Going to the laundromat and playing his flute is a highlight of his day but that's not translating into an album.

And funny you mentioned Styles because he said he's retired as a solo artist.

Facts.

Also, people are naming a bunch of rappers that are basically retired (Jay) or who aren't selling (Nas, Killer Mike, etc.) as proof people are invested in 40+ rappers. :dahell:

Not saying it's all about selling but people act like Andre is supposed to drop an album and do 60k "for the love of the game" when people ain't even buying the shyt that is out, from the same age bracket.

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Its a cop out. He dint wanna lose what he has. A 40 yr old man should have more to say than a 20. It dont even make sense. Noone said he had to rap like a 20 yr old. Its just he knows thats only way itll pop.

Andre likes the attention. Idgaf what anyone says. He wouldnt have dressed likebthey walking around nyc playing flute like a weirdo if he didnt. He knows if he raps itll never live up to hype and hes scared. He ruined outkast reunion shows by turning his back tot he crowd, he is a living contrarian. He can never be the goat with that attitude sorry. Just keep playing ya flute pied piper.

He's basically been out of the public eye for almost 20 years but he loves the attention :mjlol:

If he wanted attention so bad as you think he'd rap and do shows. Getting spotted in NYC and Japan playing a flute isn't something he'd be doing if that was the case. Going outside doesn't make you an attention whore.

"He's scared"
"He ruined Outkast's reunion show"
"He's a weirdo"
"He can never be the GOAT"

You sound mad at him. Dre is chilling and minding his business so why the vitriol? Y'all want him to do an album that bad just to praise it, hate it, or debate his status. It's not even really about the music at this point.
 

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Facts.

Also, people are naming a bunch of rappers that are basically retired (Jay) or who aren't selling (Nas, Killer Mike, etc.) as proof people are invested in 40+ rappers. :dahell:

Not saying it's all about selling but people act like Andre is supposed to drop an album and do 60k "for the love of the game" when people ain't even buying the shyt that is out, from the same age bracket.

Fred.

Naw, people are acting like this nikka gave up on hip hop over 20 years ago…for whatever reason…for literally decades without pause a 3 Stacks solo rap album has been among THE MOST coveted entity in rap.. a holy grail in hip hop…to turn around 20 years later and act like “well damn, I guess I can’t give what an entire generation of rap fans have been begging for because there simply ain’t a market for 40 year old rappers….so let me put out an acoustic jazz flute album instead…because ya know, that’s a thriving market” is some next level fantastical bullshyt :russ: :russ: :russ: :russ:


“Why the fukk would Dre put out a rap album that’ll sell 60K…when he can put out some legend of Zelda soundtrack sounding bullshyt that’ll sell 20k” :mjlol:…what type of logic is this
 

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Naw, people are acting like this nikka gave up on hip hop over 20 years ago…for whatever reason…for literally decades without pause a 3 Stacks solo rap album has been among THE MOST coveted entity in rap.. a holy grail in hip hop…to turn around 20 years later and act like “well damn, I guess I can’t give what an entire generation of rap fans have been begging for because there simply ain’t a market for 40 year old rappers….so let me put out an acoustic jazz flute album instead…because ya know, that’s a thriving market” is some next level fantastical bullshyt :russ: :russ: :russ: :russ:


“Why the fukk would Dre put out a rap album that’ll sell 60K…when he can put out some legend of Zelda soundtrack sounding bullshyt that’ll sell 20k” :mjlol:…what type of logic is this
Exactly. This nikka can get the all the way the fukk outta here. Just say u don’t like to rap and call it a fukkin day.
 

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The real "ageless" part of Hip Hop is storytelling, you can rap a story in the present tense and not have it be bogged down by all the previous shyt you ever rapped about in your life. Using your words, "imagination" is really the only limitation to telling a good story. However, rap fans rarely separate a rapper's persona from the stories they tell. Rappers aren't authors, they're not given carte blanche to juggle different universes, different genres, etc. The listener expects the cast of characters to more or less be the same.

Using your examples, Jay-Z and Nas are now looked at as Hip Hop moguls & 1%ers, the "evolution" of their content is largely that when they brag, their fans now see it as "goals". However, both of them have experienced difficulties catering to fans of their earliest material when that material was essentially written by a different person living a different life.

The commercial narrative about Nas's career shifted due to his individual success as an investor/businessman. On his last six albums, when he raps in first person and takes his listeners for a limo ride down memory lane past his earliest Hip Hop inspirations and revisiting old street shyt, the underlying fan sentiment he's fishing for is that he progressed from that. For whatever reason, Nas cares a lot about framing what his fanbase thinks about his newfound wealth and not wanting them to see a disconnect between that and the street oracle persona that inspired his first ten or so albums. He spends the majority of his new albums rapping in past tense, holding onto the past on some origin story shyt.

Nas's best songs in the last 10 years have all been pure storytelling tracks rapped in present tense. That being said, he himself usually limits his storytelling tracks to the street oracle variety.

Jay-Z raps predominantly in present tense on every album because his persona has more or less always been hustling for the sake of hustling. He can still hustle in a boardroom so there's no real disconnect in his content. However, he also hasn't dropped an album in seven years, possibly because he got tired of rapping about hustling and there isn't anywhere "grander" per se to rap about. Also, 90% of the time he raps addressing "you", e.g. the listener who covets what he has. Jay-Z is not a "look in the mirror" type of rapper and he doesn't have any real type of point to make either.

Quoting what I said earlier in the thread, most rap music is caught up in making a point to someone, proving someone wrong, in response to someone else's bullshyt or trying to win someone over... 90% of the time, the energy behind a rap track is directed at someone. Rappers who obsess over what their fans think about them will always have someone to rap for. Rappers who chase p*ssy like their life depended on it will always have someone to rap for. Rappers who care about maintaining a street persona will always have someone to rap for.

A rapper who is happily married, despises fame, doesn't maintain a street rep, isn't being targeted by anyone in particular and isn't running for political office isn't necessarily gonna feel the same compulsion to rap for someone else. IMO when Andre 3000 says he doesn't know what to rap about, he means he doesn't know who he'd be rapping for. When you already made the point you wanted to make to your audience when & how you wanted to make it, either you're gonna have to repeat yourself or you have to find a new point to make.

A lot of fans would be more than happy for him to repeat himself for an album or five, but if he truly despises what comes with fame then that isn't enough motivation for him to put himself out there again like that unless he really had some shyt to get off his chest.
This is the shìt I lost energy for on this site. Repped.
 

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Facts.

Also, people are naming a bunch of rappers that are basically retired (Jay) or who aren't selling (Nas, Killer Mike, etc.) as proof people are invested in 40+ rappers. :dahell:

Not saying it's all about selling but people act like Andre is supposed to drop an album and do 60k "for the love of the game" when people ain't even buying the shyt that is out, from the same age bracket.

Fred.

……what?!? :heh:

This is just silly. And outdated.

IT IS 2024 WHY ARE YOU MENTIONING ALBUM SALES

Not just bc Andre 3k is well beyond needing albums sales, not just bc of some cliche (but true) ‘hip hop is more than album sales’, but bc in todays music industry, engagement means more than ‘album sales’. How much did For all the Dogs sell? Dude I don’t fukin know :heh: But I know it dominated discussion and pop culture. How many albums does NBA Youngboy sell? That shyt dont matter :pachaha: I just know he’s an icon for his generation

It’s about twitter, social media, YouTube, tik tok etc.

And back to the point about being outdated, ‘the internet’ is no longer a derogatory term where only hip hop purists dwell. The internet is a giant place and some like Nas has his footprint felt regardless of album sales. The same would happen to Andre 3k

Dudes will have a 100m view YouTube song making Lord knows what type of money off it, and nggas stuck in 2005 talkin bout ‘but what it do first week….do he got a song for the bytches on the album ’ :snoop:
 

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Facts.

Also, people are naming a bunch of rappers that are basically retired (Jay) or who aren't selling (Nas, Killer Mike, etc.) as proof people are invested in 40+ rappers. :dahell:

Not saying it's all about selling but people act like Andre is supposed to drop an album and do 60k "for the love of the game" when people ain't even buying the shyt that is out, from the same age bracket.

Fred.

Everyone loves bringing up Nas and he just sold 17k. The most noise he made in term of streams was a song with 21 Savage. He'll work with Fivio or Durk and it's pats on the back for linking with the younger generation. They don't stop to think if the younger generation of listeners is linking with Nas. The high schoolers ain't checking for him and let's be real a lot of the legacy fans aren't buying the music because a lot of them have moved on from rap themselves.

Me and my friends used to talk about rap all the time and have debates about rappers. Now we barely even discuss it. Last thing we mentioned was the LB documentary and that's nostalgia. There's not much currently to speak on. We got grown man things to discuss.

Rap was always a young man's game and about being on trend or ahead of it. The older you get the more detached you are from the trend so naturally you're detached from rap.

Getting old in hip hop has been a problem well before Dre talked about it.
 
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This is literally the best time to be a 40+ rapper. Hov, nas, wayne, kanye all still killing it even 50 is having a resurgence in the culture. 3k is up there with all of them he will definitely have a successful album in this era
 
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Everyone loves bringing up Nas and he just sold 17k. The most noise he made in term of streams was a song with 21 Savage. He'll work with Fivio or Durk and it's pats on the back for linking with the younger generation. They don't stop to think if the younger generation of listeners is linking with Nas. The high schoolers ain't checking for him and let's be real a lot of the legacy fans aren't buying the music because a lot of them have moved on from rap themselves.

Me and my friends used to take about rap all the time and have debates about rappers. Now we barely even discuss it. Last thing we mentioned was the LB documentary and that's nostalgia. There's not much currently to speak on. We got grown man things to discuss.

Rap was always a young man's game and about being on trend or ahead of it. The older you get the more detached you are from the trend so naturally you're detached from rap.

Getting old in hip hop has been a problem well before Dre talked about it.
17k not that bad tho considering most rappers are barely doing more than 20k these days lol
 

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Exactly. This nikka can get the all the way the fukk outta here. Just say u don’t like to rap and call it a fukkin day.

Yup. I have the highest regards for his work and consider Kast to be the best group ever and will always get excited when he releases a verse. I’ve long made peace that he’s never gonna release a proper solo rap album….but this “what is a 40 year old rapper supposed to rap about, there’s no audience for it…I’ve evolved to TRUE artistry, playing wind chimes like a mystical elfkin creature” is some slick passive aggressive insult to hip hop and it’s listeners…fukk outta here because you lack the passion or courage or creativity or whatever else the fukk it is that prevents you from continuing to be a emcee
 
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Facts.

Also, people are naming a bunch of rappers that are basically retired (Jay) or who aren't selling (Nas, Killer Mike, etc.) as proof people are invested in 40+ rappers. :dahell:

Not saying it's all about selling but people act like Andre is supposed to drop an album and do 60k "for the love of the game" when people ain't even buying the shyt that is out, from the same age bracket.

Fred.


Nas has proven he can move at least 60K with proper promo. If he did the same amount of marketing Andre did for New Blue Sun he’d move 55-60K first week.

But beyond that I agree rappers shouldn’t just rap for the “love of the culture” because its the music BUSINESS and in BUSINESS dollars make sense. But in Andre’s case he moved 35k with an INSTRUMENTAL album! And not just any instrumental album, a FLUTE album! The business of Andre 3000 is very well and alive and if he were to put out a rap album he’d move more than 60k.


The argument isn’t really about sales though, its about passion and the perception that older rappers can’t retain an audience which has been proven wrong. BUT at the end of the day Andre’s feelings have remained consistent for the past 20 years so really we can’t blame or slight him for that consistency
 
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