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Will Egypt and Turkey go to war?
by Tom Rogan, Commentary Writer | | August 18, 2020 04:31 PM
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Tensions between Egypt and Turkey are rising, and the risk of conflict is growing.

Led by two authoritarian leaders who place much value in the external presentation of nationalist power and pride, neither side has much interest in backing down. Further complicating matters, the ingredients for a conflict are becoming more numerous and increasingly potent.

One issue is Egypt's recent agreement with Greece over exclusive economic zones in the Mediterranean Sea. Turkey believes those zones infringe on its territorial rights and says it won't recognize them. In the context of Recep Tayyip Erdogan's increasingly aggressive naval posture toward Greece, the Turkish president is considering similar military deployments against Egypt. That would force Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi to choose between a military response against a superior navy, or risk losing face. Again, the carefully cultivated "strongman" identity of each leader makes them ill-inclined to make concessions.

An even more significant Egypt-Turkey pressure point is the situation in Libya.

In that nation's civil war, Turkey is providing military aid to the United Nations- and U.S.- supported Government of National Accord. But believing that government is too sympathetic to Islamist extremists, Egypt is backing Khalifa Haftar's Libyan National Army. While each side has generally operated via Libyan proxies, Turkey is bolstering its active military footprint in support of the Government of National Accord and against Haftar's external allies. But Egypt has warned that Turkish supported forces will cross a red line if they attempt to seize the coastal city of Sirte.

Erdogan is hinting that he might soon be ready to cross this Egyptian Rubicon. Turkish presidential spokesperson Ibrahim Kalin said on Tuesday that "Turkey was concerned that military elements had been building up in the Libyan cities of Sirte and Jufra for a year, posing a threat to the country's peace and territorial integrity ... He added that ridding Sirte and Jufra of weapons and mercenaries could be a good step..."

The Turkish government is testing Sisi, here, trying to figure out how serious his warnings are. But facing escalating tensions with Ethiopia over the latter's construction of a dam on the Blue Nile river, the Egyptian president can't easily risk his red lines appearing meaningless. As the BBC notes, however, Sisi is in a difficult position from a red-line-enforcement perspective. While the Egyptian air force is competent and has advanced aircraft to employ, its army would struggle to operate the logistics train necessary for sustained military options in Libya. From a cost point of view, also, there are real complications.

But one thing is for sure. Tensions are rising, and neither Turkey nor Egypt seem willing to back down.
 

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CIA chief in Libya after Lockerbie suspect handover
(L to R) Libya s Tripoli-based Prime Minister Abdulhamid Dbeibah and CIA director William Burns
CIA chief William Burns has met Libya's interim premier weeks after the authorities handed the United States a suspect in the 1988 Lockerbie bombing, the Tripoli-based government said Thursday.

The meeting in Tripoli, also reported by Libyan media, was part of the first visit by a CIA director to the North African country since the 2012 attack against a US mission in Benghazi that killed the US ambassador and three others.

"Prime Minister Abdelhamid Dbeibeh hosted the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, William Burns" at the cabinet office in Tripoli, along with Foreign Minister Najla al-Mangoush and Libyan intelligence chief Hussein al-Ayeb, Dbeibah's government said in a Facebook post.

Burns "underlined the need to develop economic and security cooperation between the two countries", it said.

Last month, a Libyan man accused of making the bomb that destroyed a Pan Am flight over Scotland in 1988 appeared in a US court, after being extradited by Dbeibah's government.

The move sparked a public backlash against the Tripoli-based government, which is challenged by a rival government in the war-torn country's east.

Alleged former intelligence agent Abu Agila Mohammad Masud Kheir al-Marimi could face life in prison if convicted of "destruction of an aircraft resulting in death" and two other related charges over the attack, which killed 270 people and was the deadliest-ever terror operation in Britain.

Dbeibah has faced bitter criticism from political rivals, rights groups and relatives of Libyan detainees who fear being handed over themselves. Analysts say the Tripoli-based administration had little option but to adhere to the American request.

Libyan media have reported that Burns would also visit the headquarters of eastern military strongman Khalifa Haftar, Dbeibah's key rival.

Burns, CIA chief since March 2021, visited Libya in 2014 as under-secretary of state for the Middle East.

He was the first US official to visit the country when Washington was mending ties with the regime of late ruler Moamer Kadhafi, in 2004.

Kadhafi's overthrow and killing in the 2011 revolt plunged Libya into division and violence.

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CIA director Bill Burns arrives in Libya on surprise visit
Burns visit is most senior for a US official to Libya since President Joe Biden took office in January 2021.

CIA Director William Burns arrives at the US Capitol on June 14, 2022, in Washington, DC. - Drew Angerer/Getty Images
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Central Intelligence Agency director William Burns arrived in Libya on Thursday on a surprise visit, where he is meeting with the country’s Prime Minister Abdul Hamid Dbeibah in the capital Tripoli, and other senior political and military leaders.

The Libya Review tweeted a photo of Burns with Dbeibah in what constitutes the most senior visit for a US official to Libya since President Joe Biden took office in January of 2021. The CIA director was expected to meet with senior political, security and military officials, including the head of Libyan National Army (LNA) Field Marshal Khalifa Haftar. Counterterrorism, oil and gas, relations with Russia and its private mercenary group Wagner were reportedly on the agenda.

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Why the meeting? According to Politico, the United States is interested in tracking Russia's Wagner Group, particularly its activities in Syria where US forces are stationed.

Privately owned by Russian oligarch Yevgeny Prigozhin, Wagner has 50,000 personnel stationed in foreign posts outside of Ukraine. It is operational in various countries including North African states -Libya included- and works closely with governments on military and political projects.

The visit also comes just weeks after Tripoli authorities handed over to the US a Libyan man who is suspected of involvement in the 1988 Pan Am Flight 103 Lockerbie bombing. While analysts speaking to Politico said the handover was likely aimed at garnering “US goodwill and favor amid the power struggles in Libya,” it sparked public outcry.

Know more: US intelligence services have accused Wagner of recruiting prisoners in Russia to fight in Ukraine and carrying out attacks in the city of Bakhmut.

Wagner and other similar groups have been under US sanctions to control its access to weapons, pushing the group to turn elsewhere, including North Korea.

According to a Human Rights Watch report, Wagner has been accused of targeting and torturing civilians.

National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby said last December that more efforts are being made to ensure the group doesn’t get access to US technology or production equipment. Bloomberg reported that the Biden administration is considering the potential designation of Wagner as a foreign terrorist organization.

Libya has been divided and drowning in chaos since a revolt that ended with the killing of Moammar Gadhafi in 2011. The country is split between two governments, one led by Abdul Hamid Dbeibah based in Tripoli, with the support of the United Nations and the international community, and another led by Fathi Bashagha in eastern Libya.

The chaos that ensued left a power vacuum that was filled by different groups and a power struggle with armed militia forces scattered everywhere.

Militant activities and sporadic warfare have spread across the country and across the border into the Egyptian desert area.
 

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Will Egypt and Turkey go to war?
by Tom Rogan, Commentary Writer | | August 18, 2020 04:31 PM
3-4 minutes
Tensions between Egypt and Turkey are rising, and the risk of conflict is growing.

Led by two authoritarian leaders who place much value in the external presentation of nationalist power and pride, neither side has much interest in backing down. Further complicating matters, the ingredients for a conflict are becoming more numerous and increasingly potent.

One issue is Egypt's recent agreement with Greece over exclusive economic zones in the Mediterranean Sea. Turkey believes those zones infringe on its territorial rights and says it won't recognize them. In the context of Recep Tayyip Erdogan's increasingly aggressive naval posture toward Greece, the Turkish president is considering similar military deployments against Egypt. That would force Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi to choose between a military response against a superior navy, or risk losing face. Again, the carefully cultivated "strongman" identity of each leader makes them ill-inclined to make concessions.

An even more significant Egypt-Turkey pressure point is the situation in Libya.

In that nation's civil war, Turkey is providing military aid to the United Nations- and U.S.- supported Government of National Accord. But believing that government is too sympathetic to Islamist extremists, Egypt is backing Khalifa Haftar's Libyan National Army. While each side has generally operated via Libyan proxies, Turkey is bolstering its active military footprint in support of the Government of National Accord and against Haftar's external allies. But Egypt has warned that Turkish supported forces will cross a red line if they attempt to seize the coastal city of Sirte.

Erdogan is hinting that he might soon be ready to cross this Egyptian Rubicon. Turkish presidential spokesperson Ibrahim Kalin said on Tuesday that "Turkey was concerned that military elements had been building up in the Libyan cities of Sirte and Jufra for a year, posing a threat to the country's peace and territorial integrity ... He added that ridding Sirte and Jufra of weapons and mercenaries could be a good step..."

The Turkish government is testing Sisi, here, trying to figure out how serious his warnings are. But facing escalating tensions with Ethiopia over the latter's construction of a dam on the Blue Nile river, the Egyptian president can't easily risk his red lines appearing meaningless. As the BBC notes, however, Sisi is in a difficult position from a red-line-enforcement perspective. While the Egyptian air force is competent and has advanced aircraft to employ, its army would struggle to operate the logistics train necessary for sustained military options in Libya. From a cost point of view, also, there are real complications.

But one thing is for sure. Tensions are rising, and neither Turkey nor Egypt seem willing to back down.

Turkiye held Ethiopia down with drones and other important military aid while that sand cac feggit el-Sisi and the West sought to destroy and destabilize. I hope Erdogan pulls up to Tripoli so Abdel can make a reckless decision :mjgrin:
 

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Russia scrambles to reinforce Libya bases after collapse of Assad regime

Russia scrambles to reinforce Libya bases after collapse of Assad regime​


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A Russian military vehicle heads towards Hmeimim air base in Syria's coastal Latakia

Russia has been moving military vehicles to its Hmeimim air base near Latakia - Umit Bektas/REUTERS

Russia appears to be scrambling to reinforce its bases in Libya as it faces being thrown out of Syria, its other foothold in the Mediterranean.

Flight data show at least three Russian military cargo planes have flown from Belarus to Libya since Dec 8, the day the Russian-allied Assad regime in Syria was toppled by Islamist-led rebels.

The most recent flight landed in Benghazi, Libya, early on Saturday morning, according to data from FlightRadar24, a real-time flight tracking website.

Experts believe that Russia is moving defence materials stockpiled in Belarus, its closest ally, to Libya, where it is rapidly increasing its military presence in response to the rebel seizure of Damascus.

“The challenges in Syria seem to be pushing Russia to ramp up its presence in eastern Libya, even if that wasn’t part of its original plan just weeks ago,” said Jalel Harchaoui, a North Africa specialist and fellow at the Royal United Services Institute, a defence think tank based in London.

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Moscow is likely worried that its growing footprint in Libya is becoming “more exposed and vulnerable there, prompting a logical step: send in more material to protect your newly-expanded presence”, he added.

In 2024, Russia refurbished runways and built new facilities at its Libyan air bases, allowing it to project power along the southern Mediterranean coast.

Libya also acts as a key staging post for the Kremlin’s efforts to expand its influence in Africa.

It is the only country on the African continent with a Russian military presence that can be flown to direct from Russia without refuelling. Russia could also fly to nearby nations that it maintains close ties with, including Algeria, Tunisia and Egypt.

Coupled with its long-time presence in the strategic Syrian port cities of Tartus and Latakia, Moscow had looked set to flex even more military might in the region – until Assad’s regime collapsed last Sunday.

With Assad gone, Russian forces now face an uncertain future in Syria, where its former rebel enemies are in the process of setting up a new government.

Syria is scarred by years of brutal Russian attacks, in which the Kremlin bombarded opposition-held areas of the country in an attempt to prop up the Assad government.

Moscow has begun to evacuate its hardware and personnel from Syria, while senior officials seek to hammer out a deal with the new leadership that would see it retain its bases in the country.

It admitted on Sunday it had “withdrawn” some of its diplomatic staff from Syria on a special flight from its Hmeimim air base near Latakia.

A Libya-bound cargo plane left the Hmeimim base the day before, according to a Syrian security official. More departures are expected in the coming days.

Flight data showing Russian military cargo planes flying from Belarus to Libya on December 8th

Flight data showing Russian military cargo planes flying from Belarus to Libya on December 8th - Flightradar24

Russian troops have been filmed packing up an S-400 air defence missile system in Latakia, and armoured trucks have been seen lining up in Syrian streets preparing to evacuate positions.

Mr Harchaoui said: “Even if Russia maintains its core bases in Syria – its naval facility at Tartus and its air base near Latakia – recent events there have obviously not been in Moscow’s favour.

“The upheaval makes Syria a more hostile environment for the Russian military, if only logistically, leaving it unable to stay there with the same level of comfort and security as before,” he added.

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