Liberal hypocrisy fueling American inequality (video)

Professor Emeritus

Veteran
Poster of the Year
Supporter
Joined
Jan 5, 2015
Messages
51,330
Reputation
19,656
Daps
203,823
Reppin
the ether
what policies do i champion to increase economic segregation? :jbhmm:

One of the 3 main issues discussed in the video is that even within the same county, different people have different access to education because they segregate all that shyt out rather than making it one big district with all the same funding and opportunity.

Yet you've consistently pushed for more tracking and separate classes to the "good kids" can get away from the "bad kids", even when that tracking is largely based on test scores which massively favors those who already have a leg up over those who don't. That's literally segregation and in reality it ends up 90% falling along economic and racial lines.
Yes, tracking should exist if it’s what gives students a place they can focus on learning, I laid out clearly what my experience was in public school and know advanced classrooms gave me a place I could focus on learning - you seem to want to play up the victim side of everything when there are plenty schools where students come there to do nothing but disrupt, so everyone should suffer?


And over and over you've made clear that you favor maintaining and improving the material welfare of the "middle-class" (which for you includes people like yourself making well into six-figures) over helping the poor.

My views aren’t at the expense of the poor, I don’t argue against them, they’re simply not the group I put first. I’m not out here voting to stop things that would help them, but if you ask where I’ll put my time money and effort it’s behind the middle class. It seems you want me to be ashamed of that - I’m not.
I'm squarely behind fighting for the middle class - the people closest to me, we are suffering, my primary concern is not unskilled labor.
State full of high income yet absolutely middle class workers and still no checks for them from the state who understands the local economy and wages...yet we’re paying orange pickers? :why:
I don’t think minimum wage workers are being exploited, they have minimum wage jobs and are subject to the minimum wage in a given jurisdiction.
I don’t believe minimum wage jobs warrant $15/hr :yeshrug:
this made me go look up why we tip, which led to me learning that in cali wait staff make the full minimum wage, which has now made me decide i'm not tipping more than 10% anymore.
How am I against my interests? I don't make minimum wage and I'm not poor...:heh:
I’m for everyone making more money, but best believe I’m not running to the front line for min wage jobs to be first in line for a lifestyle upgrade, I’ll always advocate on behalf of the middle class first :ld:
You charge what you can get. I swear y'all socialists kill me. If there is someone willing to pay you 1800 for a shytty 1 bedroom, then you're not charging too much, you're charging market rate. No one complains when they go looking for jobs and there is someone willing to pay them more than they're worth or what they expected.
Keep defending? Yall literally sit here and plot ways for average people to not make it ahead ol crabs. I'm a property owner, I'll be damned if I say, hey, minimum wage workers can't afford apartments so let me just charge 1000 for my unit when I know damn well I can get 1700-1900 for them.


How do you not sound exactly like the people being criticized in the video? :heh:
 

No1

Retired.
Supporter
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
29,884
Reputation
4,711
Daps
66,372
One of the 3 main issues discussed in the video is that even within the same county, different people have different access to education because they segregate all that shyt out rather than making it one big district with all the same funding and opportunity.

Yet you've consistently pushed for more tracking and separate classes to the "good kids" can get away from the "bad kids", even when that tracking is largely based on test scores which massively favors those who already have a leg up over those who don't. That's literally segregation and in reality it ends up 90% falling along economic and racial lines.



And over and over you've made clear that you favor maintaining and improving the material welfare of the "middle-class" (which for you includes people like yourself making well into six-figures) over helping the poor.













How do you not sound exactly like the people being criticized in the video? :heh:
You must have been saving that lmao.
 

dora_da_destroyer

Master Baker
Joined
May 1, 2012
Messages
65,013
Reputation
15,912
Daps
266,102
Reppin
Oakland
One of the 3 main issues discussed in the video is that even within the same county, different people have different access to education because they segregate all that shyt out rather than making it one big district with all the same funding and opportunity.

Yet you've consistently pushed for more tracking and separate classes to the "good kids" can get away from the "bad kids", even when that tracking is largely based on test scores which massively favors those who already have a leg up over those who don't. That's literally segregation and in reality it ends up 90% falling along economic and racial lines.



And over and over you've made clear that you favor maintaining and improving the material welfare of the "middle-class" (which for you includes people like yourself making well into six-figures) over helping the poor.













How do you not sound exactly like the people being criticized in the video? :heh:
Tracking isn’t segregated schools or keeping income locked up by zip code. I’m against that, but in creating more equitable public schools I absolutely think there should be an advanced track/classes for “gifted” kids. I won’t apologize nor back down from that - kids who can’t afford private schools should be given a chance to do advanced work and be in classes where the other students take it seriously. You wanna play obtuse to the fact that some kids come to school with the aim of being disruptive or act like it’s fair to hold higher aptitude kids back so the whole class can learn at the same pace…nah


And every single time I’ve made a case for six figure earners being considered middle class it’s in the view of 1) high COL areas 2) those who are debt burdened to get there. You think $75k in the bay makes too much for someone to get a stimulus?

and that min wage post is old as hell as I’ve been in here arguing for $15 (aside from some small businesses) for years now…I still debate what I think kin wage jobs are worth when we’re not raising the salaries of people like teachers etc, but I have plenty of posts supporting raising it

edit: per things discussed in the video, I’ve been in favor of the state subsidizing the cost of building so more “regular” projects can be built, not just luxury, increased density (within reason), especially in suburbs (while you argue for us all to sprawl into rural communities), always been about properly funded public schools, the wealthy and corporations need to pay more taxes…like I said, what policies do I support for economic segregation:jbhmm:
 
Last edited:

Professor Emeritus

Veteran
Poster of the Year
Supporter
Joined
Jan 5, 2015
Messages
51,330
Reputation
19,656
Daps
203,823
Reppin
the ether
And every single time I’ve made a case for six figure earners being considered middle class it’s in the view of 1) high COL areas 2) those who are debt burdened to get there.

You're quite explicitly shytting on lower-earning people when you make those statements. And ignore all the times you explicitly said that you fight for the interests of the middle class "like yourself" before you'd fight for the interests of the poor.

And honestly, what is "like yourself"? Be upfront for a second - is your peak income more like $150-200k or more like $200-300k? Cause you've been clear it's "your people" you're fighting for, so let's nail down exactly what that bracket is.





Tracking isn’t segregated schools or keeping income locked up by zip code. I’m against that, but in creating more equitable public schools I absolutely think there should be an advanced track/classes for “gifted” kids. I won’t apologize nor back down from that - kids who can’t afford private schools should be given a chance to do advanced work and be in classes where the other students take it seriously. You wanna play obtuse to the fact that some kids come to school with the aim of being disruptive or act like it’s fair to hold higher aptitude kids back so the whole class can learn at the same pace…nah

First off, those conversations have come in the context of shyt like NYC doing testing and tracking their entire school system, not just tracking individual schools. So you create the "have" schools that have the best kids, best teachers, best resources, etc, which is a massive brain and resources drain on every other school.

And claiming that tracking creates "more equitable" schools is bullshyt. Let's say a school has 15 sections and you put all the privileged kids in the "advanced" three sections. Those sections automatically get assigned the top teacher - which means the rest of the school loses out. If there's a staffing shortage, does the advanced section get left behind? Hell no, they will ALWAYS pull the teacher from the "lower" class. If any extra school expenditure is spent on special field trips, or special materials, it always ends up in those higher-tracked classes first. And all those other kids lose the opportunity to ever work together with the "better" kids, they lose the chance to rub shoulders with families different from their own. That might have been their only chance to have friends with parents who had connections, who could give insights to different futures, their only chance to build a social network that was to their advantage. And you've ruined it.

Studies have shown that tracking has little to no effect on advanced kids. The "go too slow" argument is bullshyt - amount of material covered in a given year doesn't mean anything in future outcomes. And getting the top teachers makes less difference to them cause they had shyt on lock either way. But tracking has a LARGE negative impact on the lower-tracked kids. Almost every single aspect of what is shytty about disadvantaged schools, tracking makes it even shyttier. It's not an improvement, it's not "more equitable", it's literally giving up on 80% of the school.

You liked tracking cause you had a comfortable middle-class background and got to be one of the "special" ones. You didn't care what happened to the poor kids cause you felt they deserved what they got, they were the "bad" ones. But you haven't made the slightest evidence-based case that tracking actually improved anything for poor kids or for your school as a whole, you just want the safe personal outcome for yourself.
 
Last edited:
Top