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Let's talk about this Prince Naseem Hamed highlight video
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Ronda Rousey effect, fighting in a bum division makes you look godlike.
Not knocking the hustle cuz he was obviously good, but then again, so is Ronda Rousey
Some of you new blood cats are too much
Triangularbirds
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he's fighting against flyweights moving and punching like they're heavyweights bruh, like I said, he's good, in fact he's probably the GOAT in his division, simply for the fact that he actually uses the speed that comes with fighting at these lightweight divisions. Obviously he had some serious power but you need to take into account flyweights arent supposed to be taking powerful punches, especially when they come into combinations that they fail to dodge.
Some of you new blood cats are too much
Im not saying Ronda Rousey is as good as him, Im saying the evaluation of their greatness comes from their relative superiority in the matchups they are put in, and the reason for this superiority is the overwhelming number of bums in the weight classes they fight in.
People have been underrating Naseem Hamed for a very long time, but looking back he had a very good career.
The argument against Hamed is that his competition was weak and when he finally fought someone "credible" he got his ass beat, fair enough...even if I were to concede that point you don't seem to understand boxing if that is what you stick with. EVERY era has a weight class that is not as strong as it should be for one reason or another, Hamed was in this position, but did you see what he was doing? He was Ali shuffling, fighting with his hands down and relying on his reflexes/speed, incredible punching power and very accurate for someone who always seemed aloof in the ring. On top of that he always put a target on his back with the way he bragged, talked trash, and those classic ring entrances...and he backed it up by beating everyone.
Rousey is a different case, did you see that last fight? Come on man, she is sloppy as hell and the fact that people are considering her some all-time great is straight up disrespectful to MMA, Boxing, and all combat sports in general. I even saw ESPN comparing her start to Muthafukking MIKE TYSON in his prime
Hate on Tyson all you want about his competition, but his combination of speed, skill, defense, and accuracy is on a different STRATOSPHERE when it comes to comparing him to the skills of Rousey. Rousey literally went into the ring last fight and rushed her like a Starcraft Pro player does to a rookie and gets credit like it was some incredible Mike Tyson like display of bobbing and weaving to get closer and going in for the kill
The argument against Hamed is that his competition was weak and when he finally fought someone "credible" he got his ass beat, fair enough...even if I were to concede that point you don't seem to understand boxing if that is what you stick with. EVERY era has a weight class that is not as strong as it should be for one reason or another, Hamed was in this position, but did you see what he was doing? He was Ali shuffling, fighting with his hands down and relying on his reflexes/speed, incredible punching power and very accurate for someone who always seemed aloof in the ring. On top of that he always put a target on his back with the way he bragged, talked trash, and those classic ring entrances...and he backed it up by beating everyone.
Rousey is a different case, did you see that last fight? Come on man, she is sloppy as hell and the fact that people are considering her some all-time great is straight up disrespectful to MMA, Boxing, and all combat sports in general. I even saw ESPN comparing her start to Muthafukking MIKE TYSON in his prime
Hate on Tyson all you want about his competition, but his combination of speed, skill, defense, and accuracy is on a different STRATOSPHERE when it comes to comparing him to the skills of Rousey. Rousey literally went into the ring last fight and rushed her like a Starcraft Pro player does to a rookie and gets credit like it was some incredible Mike Tyson like display of bobbing and weaving to get closer and going in for the kill
Triangularbirds
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comparing her to tyson is ridiculous, Rousey isnt an objective GOAT, Tyson is, the comparison with Naseem comes from the domination of the weight class though. Rousey doesn't have the ring presence, she's not dancing all around the octagon, but she is shyttin on her opponents viciously because woman's mma has no good fighter, she could be throwing her arms in the air and dancing like Naseem but do you qualify greatness and talent by ring showmanship only ?Rousey is a different case, did you see that last fight? Come on man, she is sloppy as hell and the fact that people are considering her some all-time great is straight up disrespectful to MMA, Boxing, and all combat sports in general. I even saw ESPN comparing her start to Muthafukking MIKE TYSON in his prime
You would have a case if Hamed did have great reflexes and use it to avoid punches, he almost looked bored out there at times with his hands down. If this was a case of Hamed going into the ring and straight up rushing people and dominating them with his pure power, I might buy it as well. There comes a point in where over a career an "average fighter" is more than he seems. The truth is that Hamed MADE some of his opponents look bad by frustrating them with the mental tricks and avoiding the punches and that has a lot to do with it in this game.comparing her to tyson is ridiculous, Rousey isnt an objective GOAT, Tyson is, the comparison with Naseem comes from the domination of the weight class though. Rousey doesn't have the ring presence, she's not dancing all around the octagon, but she is shyttin on her opponents viciously because woman's mma has no good fighter, she could be throwing her arms in the air and dancing like Naseem but do you qualify greatness and talent by ring showmanship only ?
What else do you want to go on? What was Hamed bad at? I realize some will not agree with me on the defensive side because he fought with his hands down, but he was able to get away with that shyt for 37 PRO FIGHTS and really only getting tagged hard by Kevin Kelley and Barrera.
Hamed Power - A+
Hamed Accuracy - B-
Hamed Defense - B- (I will concede this one because his hands were always down)
Hamed Reflexes - A
Hamed Speed - A
Hamed Ring Generalship - B
Hamed Footwork - A
The scary thing about Hamed is that he could have been even greater because he had all the tools to do whatever he wanted. He seemed to have lost confidence after that Barrera fight, fought that last fight and just called it a career on a high note. I dock points from him for how his career ended, but there aren't many flaws in his overall body of work with the exception of his defensive tactics which he got away with anyway.
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Triangularbirds
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see that's my problem, his opponents fight almost never exploit the speed that comes with fighting at a light weight, only taking from the highlights video posted, these dudes move and punch like heavyweights.
And that's why I say he's definitely GOAT in his division, but has never had the occasion to prove himself as a godlike boxer in long-awaited and balanced match-ups.
I meant to say did.
The division was relatively weak when he was fighting and outclassed everyone with the exception of Barrera. We might have been talking about him in a different light if he kept racking up L's, but I think he knew it was time to go and was the smart decision to end his career on a high note.
Triangularbirds
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didnt quote your full sentence, but we good
Brandon M.
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GOAT
The final score on the cards was a lot closer than it should have been, but I do think he went in thinking he could just knock his ass out like he was everyone else.
yeah defo
psychologically hamed wasn't good enough to be a TOP fighter, skill wise he definitely was
boxing is like 70% psychological 30% psychical
