Lets talk about the hypocritical praise black CEOs and business men get in hip hop

[Capitol]

Maybe no one else sees this as hypocritical, but I always see people like Jay-Z, Diddy, Birdman, Master P, Diddy, J. Prince etc getting props for their business savvy. I think it is completely hypocritical that these dudes get props for doing the exact same things that these 'evil' jews and powerful white dudes do. They get young black talented men and women to sign to contracts that completely fukk up their careers before it even starts. They move products that aren't nearly as good as they advertise(see clothing lines, headphones, etc). They peddle products that they are getting back door money for.

It's a running joke in hip hop how signing to Diddy is like purposely sabotaging your own career

It's a running joke that Birdman is spending all of his rappers' royalties on new whips and new watches

It's a running joke that signing to Dr. Dre is going to get your album put on the shelf for eternity. The dre beats has got to be one of the biggest scandals out there.

People still criticize Jay to this day for ruining Rocafella

BUT at the end of the day they are still respected, they are still considered to be geniuses, and some of this stuff is considered 'boss moves'. So why are they getting props for learning how business works and doing the same things they saw other dudes doing.

At the end of the day I still respect these dudes on some level, but at the same time I can't see the difference between what Birdman is doing and someone like Lyor.


So coli, whats your opinion on it?

 

[Harry B]

I think all of them get criticized for being Snakes. Just go to any Puff Daddy, Jay-z or Birdman video on youtube and look at the comments and it will probably be dudes talking about them being snakes and bla bla. The difference is that while they have haters, they have fans as well. Lyor Cohen doesn't really have fans, he's not a celebrity type of person. Just like Mike Kyser and them don't have fans. There is really nothing they do that's funny, cool, great to watch, hear and on. So they get the same hate (often less cause they are less known) but not the same love cause they are not trying to catch fans.

I give the same props to the business men and call of them snakes, cause that's their business. The worst thing are the dudes from the streets calling these cats snakes, street cats are the shadiest dudes out and then they come in the rap game and start crying cause some label doesn't wanna release them.

 

[zerozero]

tl;dr. your posts per day must be crazy breh

 

[Capitol]

I think all of them get criticized for being Snakes. Just go to any Puff Daddy, Jay-z or Birdman video on youtube and look at the comments and it will probably be dudes talking about them being snakes and bla bla. The difference is that while they have haters, they have fans as well. Lyor Cohen doesn't really have fans, he's not a celebrity type of person. Just like Mike Kyser and them don't have fans. There is really nothing they do that's funny, cool, great to watch, hear and on. So they get the same hate (often less cause they are less known) but not the same love cause they are not trying to catch fans.

I give the same props to the business men and call of them snakes, cause that's their business. The worst thing are the dudes from the streets calling these cats snakes, street cats are the shadiest dudes out and then they come in the rap game and start crying cause some label doesn't wanna release them.

At the same time that they are recognized as snakes, the only reason why they are still able to make money to this day is because of their rep as these power, business savvy men. People still sign to Diddy. People still sign to Roc Nation. Birdman isn't losing any sleep. I'm just asking why people are so quick to say a company like Atlantic are exploiting their artist or something when you have black people doing the exact same thing. I think people just need to call a spade a spade

Like I said, I consider the Dre Beats to be one of the biggest scandals going around right now and the only reason why it succeeded is because of a black man.

 

[Capitol]

tl;dr. your posts per day must be crazy breh

Not going to lie, it's the main reason I signed up here. I got a lot of free time on my hands lately

 

[ThatKidBlackHippy]

nepotism.

 

[Harry B]

At the same time that they are recognized as snakes, the only reason why they are still able to make money to this day is because of their rep as these power, business savvy men. People still sign to Diddy. People still sign to Roc Nation. Birdman isn't losing any sleep. I'm just asking why people are so quick to say a company like Atlantic are exploiting their artist or something when you have black people doing the exact same thing. I think people just need to call a spade a spade

Like I said, I consider the Dre Beats to be one of the biggest scandals going around right now and the only reason why it succeeded is because of a black man.

People are still signing with Atlantic though, some Lupe stans might be mad, Lupe might be mad but what about the 100 other artists on there. They seem to be loving it.

SP might say Roc-a-fella fukked them over, but Kanye is on a Island with Kim K saying Roc-a-fella for life.

I mean people are blaming Roc Nation right now for J. Electronica not releasing music. But when an artist is gonna sign a deal, they will look at Electronica and Cole, and say I wanna be Cole.



I really don't see it my dude, I see The Roc, Bad Boy, Cash Money all taking mad shyt from fans and artist. Just like I see Atlantic and them taking shyt from fans and artists. But I still see the people who are enjoying their success at these label and I still see artists signing to all these labels. And I've not heard anyone downplay someone like Steve Rifkind or Iovine or Edgar Bronfman or whoever's business skills.

 

[Abstract83]

Yea I kinda agree like yea their business savy bla bla. But cmon its only because some of them minus baby are walkin around in suits dressing and actin like the figure heads who really really run shyt. I only respect them as black men doin their thing. But if I had the chance to work with them I wouldnt take it. Some times the $ and power cloud ur judgement in decision making. Or ur just a dikk with a big ego. Im not gonna tell another man how to run business cause im not on that level. But I would say for up and comin artists they need to wake up and do research. Stop being googly eyed like a ran thru groupie with 2 kids on the come up pushin 40. Stop signin ur life away just because u see a black dude in a suit. Doesnt mean his intentions are aligned with urs. nikkas just gettin money while watchin u slide off that titanic while its sinkin.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

I'd say that the premise of the thread is a fallacy and that in fact they get FAR more criticism than their non-black counterparts...on just about every level, from the fans to within the industry...all of the things in the first post that are brought up as talking points to knock those guys literally everyday or anytime they're mentioned on the internet, are done by their counterparts and just pretty much written off as "business as usual"...the praise they do get is usually framed from within the context of these dudes coming from absolutely nothing, building companies from nothing, and becoming wildly successful..

 

[Capitol]

I'd say that the premise of the thread is a fallacy and that in fact they get FAR more criticism than their non-black counterparts...on just about every level, from the fans to within the industry

How so? I always see people talking about this black excellence shyt while you're far more likely to hear about a white or jewish dudes' involvement with black music is raping the culture or something. If other people don't see this then what can I say?

 

[Long Live The Kane]

How so? I always see people talking about this black excellence shyt while you're far more likely to hear about a white or jewish dudes' involvement with black music is raping the culture or something. If other people don't see this then what can I say?

Guarantee you I could I find 3 negative posts criticizing those dudes and their business practices for every one you can find for guys like Jimmy Iovine or Lyor Cohen, etc or whoever else you want to prop up as some unfairly hated on non-black ecec....we can set up a thread and put coli cash on it and all that...these guys get shytted on a literal EVERY DAY basis

 

[Capitol]

Guarantee you I could I find 3 negative posts criticizing those dudes and their business practices for every one you can find for guys like Jimmy Iovine or Lyor Cohen, etc or whoever else you want to prop up as some unfairly hated on non-black ecec....we can set up a thread and put coli cash on it and all that...these guys get shytted on a literal EVERY DAY basis

Woah woah. I'm not saying they are unfairly hated at all. The premise of my thread was saying that they all do the same shyt so why is one side getting more hate or more praise? I'm saying that there seems to be a discrepancy between the props someone like Jay gets for his business savvy and someone like Lyor. You and harry seem to think they get more hate or it's about the same so, hey

 

[Long Live The Kane]

Woah woah. I'm not saying they are unfairly hated at all. The premise of my thread was saying that they all do the same shyt so why is one side getting more hate or more praise? I'm saying that there seems to be a discrepancy between the props someone like Jay gets for his business savvy and someone like Lyor. You and harry seem to think they get more hate or it's about the same so, hey

I'm saying that there's definitely a discrepancy in how they're criticized for conducting business despite essentially doing the same thing too...and it's totally the opposite of what you're suggesting...this forum has a search function, and I'm asking you to make your case with proof and that I will respond with exponentially more examples to the contrary...black ceos get derided literally on a day to day basis for conducting mundane everyday music business practices...they're non-black counterparts not anywhere nearly as much...the praise that the black execs do get is more because of their rags-to-riches ascents from abject poverty to multimillion dollar empires, not so much the commonplace business as usual tactics they used along the way

 

[Abstract83]

Woah woah. I'm not saying they are unfairly hated at all. The premise of my thread was saying that they all do the same shyt so why is one side getting more hate or more praise? I'm saying that there seems to be a discrepancy between the props someone like Jay gets for his business savvy and someone like Lyor. You and harry seem to think they get more hate or it's about the same so, hey

Not to sound racists or anything but color do matter. Look at bill o Reilly or fox news. They constantly shyt on the black culture. But remain popular and praised just because of their status and they have camera time. And people would listen regardless while everything we do is put under a microscope. And we're constantly judged for the littlest thing. Im just sayin in the music industry black or white majority are cut throats. And out for themselves. I cant jump on the band wagon and be like. "yeah u get shyttin on well thats how it goes."

 

[Capitol]

Not to sound racists or anything but color do matter. Look at bill o Reilly or fox news. They constantly shyt on the black culture. But remain popular and praised just because of their status and they have camera time. And people would listen regardless while everything we do is put under a microscope. And we're constantly judged for the littlest thing. Im just sayin in the music industry black or white majority are cut throats. And out for themselves. I cant jump on the band wagon and be like. "yeah u get shyttin on well thats how it goes."

This is a different discussion entirely. People look at Bill like he is a fukking idiot troll that isn't doing anything, but trying to rile up people, or at least I do anyway. The audience he panders to would eat up almost anything he says so I can't say that he holds much weight. It's no secret that there is absolutely still racist people out there that love the stuff he says though. fakkits will be fakkits