Lets talk about The American Education system

[Rominati]

Im on my last stretch of university .Im bout to graduate in December. With a double major in globalization (International Financial Markets & Flows) and Economics


Its sad to say tho, that my biggest lesson in my 4 years out here is that you dont need college to make it in America.




Honestly if you are not trying to be a doctor, lawyer or engineer. There is really no point in all of this.


Im thankful for my lessons Ive learned out here, and I feel college has vastly increased my maturity. But It aint worth all them student loans b Most of the lessons Ive learned were outside the class.



Especially in this economy , whats the point in burying yourself in debt over a degree that may not even land you a job?



I wish I could go back and tell a younger me at 16 to teach myself website design, programming , and software development on my own. I mean Ive taught myself a great deal in the last two years on programs and have conducted alot of independent research on global markets and rising MNC's and blueprints and what not.



But overall I feel I could of done all this shyt back at home. College is good for the experience but imo, you dont really "learn" anything out here


I got a good job lined up n all that. But honestly I aint trying to be another corporate negro fighting my life away trying to climb up the ladder. While John n Barry get in smooth due to their uncle owning the shyt.


All in all me and my boys are just focusing on pushing our company to bigger heights after we graduate n move back to NYC. While simply using these jobs as a means to a end to pay rent and shyt. We already got the connects thru our shyt out here. But once again, that is something we did completley independent of the school system.


I feel college just inadvertly puts in the rat race, rather than teaching you how to accumlate wealth. This college shyt just teaches you how to become a good worker rather than being your own boss.

 

[↓R↑LYB]

College for me was a waste of fukking time. I learned everything in my career on my own. Honestly if I had skipped and focused on my certifications during those years I'd be further along in my career than I am right now.

 

[Wildin]

Ive never understood what type of podunk degrees people are getting that arent needed. For anything and everything reputable there are degrees or certifications needed.

If you start your own business and it blows up, you can be CEO without clout or any business. You might not even graduate but you should atleast have college math or business math.

Any job that gives you on the job training isnt something worth having in the long run, some entry level shyt.

If you learn to do air conditioning and electrical wiring and such there is just as much background knowledge as well as skill thats needed

There is skill, knowledge and practical application. Its like going to a shop to get your car fixed. Theres a difference for you as a consumer, between the mechanic that says, theres a throw bearing in your engine that needs to be replaced. And you say "Whats a throw bearing" and he says "Its in your engine, it needs to be fixed or the car wont work" vs the mechanic that can and usually does explain that it pushes the piston that fires in one of the cylinders, yadda, yadda, rhetoric, rhetoric.

If you just want to work somewhere and be an employee then go ahead, college aint for you.

If you want to maybe run the company, or be in higher management, then you need further education. For the most part education teaches you things you dont know, like ethics, business ethics, human relations, shyt that if everyone already knew then we wouldnt have classes for.

The only way to not have to have education and move up from being a bum when working for someone else is tenure, working 5-10 years in entry level or a bump or 2 above, showing 'dedication' by not getting fired. Lets be honest, the climate for working at a place for 5-10years isnt the best unless you can jive with the way business changes. If you have kids, health problems or other aspirations it aint for you.

 

[CoolazzFemale]

If your not going for Medical, Law and some Engineering. Everything you can gain from work experience.

 

[YBE]

Its that time of the month huh?

 

[Darts]

It all depends on what ur studying and what ur aptitude/attitude towards that subject. For instance if ur really good at math or sciences then u should reach for the stars in those field....and look towards scholarships.

That said college isn't for everybody and the most important thing above all is to get a high in-demand, marketable SKILL like IT skills, trade skills or knowledge based skills.

 

[BillBanneker]

If your not going for Medical, Law and some Engineering. Everything you can gain from work experience.

And how are you going to get that

 

[MikelArteta]

You don't even need it for medical or law

Just without the accreditation you can't practice. One of the smartest people I work with knows everything about the law, precedents, etc. but he doesn't have his law degree

 

[CoolazzFemale]

And how are you going to get that

gotta start someplace. just like what your grandparents had to do.

 

[BillBanneker]

gotta start someplace. just like what your grandparents had to do.

They had their masters though

 

[Tupac in a Business Suit]

You hit it one the nail. College degrees are basically for those who would like to enter the workforce. It is the ticket that grants you admission to the party.

 

[The_Sheff]

Sure you are right, most careers dont require you to use what you learned in college. But the college degree itself is what gets companies to even look at you to begin with. If im looking for an IT manager why should i hire the person who didnt go to college over the person who has their masters, and has all the same certifications and experience?

Its funny to me that people always say "I wish i could go back and tell myself to do this or that". If you could do that then we all could do that and pretty much everyone would be doing something different. You arent the only person who has their perspective change with age, its part of growing up.

 

[MoneyTron]

Meh I've probably learned much more about business out of school than in but there's no denying that college at least gave me a baseline of what field I wanted to go into.

I don't know anyone in the business I'm in that would say "college is useless, you can come work for us straight out of HS" or "we would much rather you be self taught".

If you're going to work for yourself out of the gate, that's fine but usually you want to build connections and capital through your first few years out of school by joining the workforce. Or at least that's how I'd do it.

 

[Habit]

Sure you are right, most careers dont require you to use what you learned in college. But the college degree itself is what gets companies to even look at you to begin with. If im looking for an IT manager why should i hire the person who didnt go to college over the person who has their masters, and has all the same certifications and experience?

Its funny to me that people always say "I wish i could go back and tell myself to do this or that". If you could do that then we all could do that and pretty much everyone would be doing something different. You arent the only person who has their perspective change with age, its part of growing up.

But how many people really like computers, toliets, transmissions, and electrical wires. There are a lot of people who likes other things, and those fields require degrees. You competing against people who have degrees, you already entering a fight outmatched. I'm hearing some entry-level jobs are requiring masters now.

 

[TheBigBopper]

Honestly if you are not trying to be a doctor, lawyer or engineer. There is really no point in all of this.

Good luck getting into Goldman Sachs (or any entry-level corporate position) without a degree. The technical skills necessary for these jobs can be learned outside of the classroom, but you won't get past the gatekeepers without a college education.

Also, many of your investors won't even take you seriously if you try raising capital for a business without a college degree. A college degree and a good job that follows with it lends entrepreneurs credibility.